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9-11 and 21 Years later, do we have ALL the facts yet?

2022-09-11

Tail number N334AA
Accident date 11 Sep 2001 NYC/NY
Aircraft type Boeing 767-200ER

Tail number N612UA
Accident date 11 Sep 2001 NYC/NY
Aircraft type Boeing 767-200ER

Tail number N644AA
Accident date 11 Sep 2001 Washington DC / Pentagon
Aircraft type Boeing 757-200

Tail number N591UA
Accident date 11 Sep 2001 Shanksville, PA
Aircraft type Boeing 757
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NTSB Factual Report
The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and this material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket.

NTSB Probable Cause
The Safety Board did not determine the probable cause and does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket. The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI.

Never forgive. Never Forget. Never “understand”.
Courtesy of Skidmark:

'I thought about executing every person celebrating 9/11': Marine who watched the attacks in fury from his base was among the first Americans in Afghanistan at 19 - and one of his first missions was hunting Bin Laden's children

Staff Sergeant William 'Bill' Bee watched 9/11 unfold in his barracks at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina

At just 19 years old he was one of the first Americans on the ground in Helmand Province to fight the Taliban

He had his first firefight and wrote his family goodbye letters, all while he wasn't old enough to buy a beer

It was his destiny to fight in the Marines and avenge the New Yorkers picking up the pieces of their city

21 years on, in his new book The Shot, Bee details the response to the attack at the base

One of his first operations was trying to find one of Osama Bin Laden's children

Posted by:NN2N1

#23 *wouldn't say the salamwaleikums...

Sigh... I think I'll sleep.

Posted by: Dron66046 2022-09-11 19:07

#22 No, you're right, Murcek. They were. I just get carried away with rage when I'm frustrated. Ike was obviously in a league that had dwindled by the 80s.

Posted by: Dron66046 2022-09-11 19:04

#21 I think Ike and Dutch were pretty pro-American...

Posted by: M. Murcek 2022-09-11 18:57

#20 Aah yes, that stoopid bastard Bush Jr. Gawd, whatta schmuck! For decades it's been like this. The GOP has had only these hubristic assholes to champion the cause of hegemony. No one cared for America itself. Until DJT, who then everyone had to gang up on. Because he would say the salamwaleikums and rather sided with the Christian world.

Posted by: Dron66046 2022-09-11 18:56

#19 And paying Pakistain billions to seriously I don't know do what. Maybe throw info on Taliban from time to time. While they bathed in US taxpayer money in 'slamabad and Karachi. It was the ISI who gave Intel on Dr. Z in the end, but only because they wanted to hurt Kabul this time. Aaargh... I'll go on until someone punches my lights out. I'm out of alcohol too tonight.

Posted by: Dron66046 2022-09-11 18:51

#18 Instead the politicians promised the people that revenge would be taken, yessir! And plunged thousands of good men into a thankless meat grinder. And what do you know? Somewhere along the way, it transformed from a mission for justice into propping up some shitty democratic government in Afghanistan!

Posted by: Dron66046 2022-09-11 18:50

#17 Gradually the world grew to worrying about cow farts and carbon taxes. Sheltering a single sunni moslem in a country should have incurred sanctions. Entire communities should've been quarantined, 9066ed like the Japs after pearl harbour. The arabics be damned, any sunni should've been allowed to be hunted on sight. Militias encouraged to go after the islamics, mosques shuttered, razed, prayers banned. But no. The Black panthers and the Farrakhan types were already in.

Posted by: Dron66046 2022-09-11 18:45

#16 That imbecile Dubya maundering about a "religion of peas."

Posted by: M. Murcek 2022-09-11 18:34

#15 The excuses for why there isn't a Quetta sized hole in the world. Why after 9/11 instead of a purging of Islam from the free world, there was an incoherent, slapdash response to the civilizational challenge. Why it took a guy in 2016 to talk about barring more moslems from entering America. Why hundreds of billions were just given away to islamics all over the damn world. One of your Langley chaps said, 'why, we're paying them more money not to kill us than we're spending on killing them!' There's no excuse for letting Islam survive in America after they danced. They danced! With streamers and music. To the carnage. There were jokes in their movies and media back in Pakistain, about 'the idiot Americans giving us money to hide their killers'. There were no Urdu speakers, nor did any cake eater bother to learn Urdu or dari or Farsi to understand the chatter, the pamphlets, the subtle giveaways. Nope. They instead relied on ... local assets! Inter-fucking-preters! We offered them our services, quid pro nothing. But they preferred 'slamabad! Oh the ISI would supply the talent as always. Shit!!

Posted by: Dron66046 2022-09-11 18:30

#14 Then what excuses?

Posted by: Rob Crawford 2022-09-11 18:05

#13 The facts are simple. It's the excuses we don't have yet.

Posted by: Dron66046 2022-09-11 17:58

#12 What facts don't we have?

Posted by: Rob Crawford 2022-09-11 17:57

#11 Accident?

Posted by: Glenmore 2022-09-11 16:20

#10 Wondering if any Sports player will be stupid enough to take a knee today?

If so, their sponsor should be boycotted.

Posted by: NN2N1 2022-09-11 14:41

#9 I can’t understand it, Tennessee.
Posted by: trailing wife 2022-09-11 14:20

Roughly OBL's plan was to eliminate his competition in AF by assassinating Massoud, strike the US to elevate his stature, and assassinate Saddam and emplace an AQ influenced proxy in order to control the largest Arab land Army in ME. OBL already had proxies emplaced in Africa, Yemen, and had SA paying tithes to him to be left alone. OBL's end desire was to be more of a modern Saladin than a Caliph. OBL believed that an attempt to establish a modern Caliphate was premature.

Regarding Saddam, OBL and Saddam were not allies...they were competitors for the whole Saladin visage...and all it takes to change the government of a dictatorship is one bullet. OBL was willing to to invest in that change for the opportunity to emplace a proxy that he could control.

Posted by: Tennessee 2022-09-11 14:35

#8 There were indicators that an assassination attempt against Saddam Hussein was planned as well,

After all the training Al Qaeda cadres got at Salman Pak? Was this to be payback to Iran for sheltering the non-Quetta Shura and a bunch of wives and children, because otherwise I can’t understand it, Tennessee.

Posted by: trailing wife 2022-09-11 14:20

#7 Michael W. Smith's 9/11 tribute 'There She Stands.'

Posted by: Besoeker 2022-09-11 13:41

#6
What I remember from that day.
I am on a Teleconference call with my VP of sales and VP of Enterprise practices. We are discussing the IT Security presentation I had present back in Feb. of that year to the NY/NJ Port Authority. Where I warned the Port Authority they needed to better secure and disbuse their computer center operations. Given there had already been one attack on the WTC some years before (the parking garage bomber) and I was immediately cut off by a high ranking client and my Sales person was told to end my presentation.

WTC Company Floor and suite listings.

On 9-11, we were then discussing how to resubmit the needed IT SEC and disbursal purposal, when my screen lit-up telling me that the 1st plane had hit, by some NOC Team members.

I then mention the that WTC was hit to the VP's and maybe a hacker had played with the Rabbit (USAF gargone for Runway IFR landing beacon). Then the 2nd hit. A VP then said "It looks like we aren't going to get anything done today..." and hung up.

The next day I got a call and told to deleted the Feb. IT Sec presentation and related materials.

Posted by: NN2N1 2022-09-11 10:26

#5 It would appear that have all of the operational facts and most are now in the public domain.

Although the fact that we have NOT conducted a TRIAL of KSM and his henchman with the Military Commissions framework makes me wonder what remains.

KSM issued what is in effect an Ops Order for the attack. Centralized planning and decentralized execution was the rule. The planning covered in detail the tactics, operational control/comms, the "looming tower" order of execution, the funding, all the way to shaping of the strategic and political implications and messaging post attack.

The attack on the US was just one part of the overall operation. The execution of Ahmad Shah Massoud initiated the op, the strike on the US centers of political, military, and economic centers of gravity followed. There were indicators that an assassination attempt against Saddam Hussein was planned as well, but was disrupted by Hussein's security.

Interestingly enough to N2N1's point, the most highly classified information regarding all of this was the classification of political information immediately after the attack. Much of it is still classified. Obama declassified the meat of it a few years ago. But, what lingers behind the wall?

Posted by: Tennessee 2022-09-11 10:20

Posted by: Skidmark 2022-09-11 09:47

Posted by: Skidmark 2022-09-11 09:44

In memory also of 'Tiny' and Pan Am Flt 103, Sept 21, 1988.

Posted by: Besoeker 2022-09-11 09:27

#1 Thank you for pulling together this remembrance for us, NN2N1. I’ve set this as today’s headline.

Posted by: trailing wife 2022-09-11 09:18

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