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What the Saudis think about when they think about peace with Israel
2022-07-24
From a few days ago.
[IsraelTimes] Their newly opened airspace has nothing to do with Israel, they say, and normalization can’t happen until there’s a Paleostinian state. But actually, obviously, it’s all about Iran.

As of this writing, Israeli planes are not yet routinely overflying Saudi airspace to and from India, China and other destinations. This year, at least, Israeli Moslems were not able to take Israeli charter flights direct from Ben Gurion Airport to Saudi Arabia
...a kingdom taking up the bulk of the Arabian peninsula. Its primary economic activity involves exporting oil and soaking Islamic rubes on the annual hajj pilgrimage. The country supports a large number of princes in whatcha might call princely splendor. Fifteen of the nineteen WTC hijackers were Saudis, and most major jihadi commanders were Saudis, to include Osama bin Laden. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman quietly folded that tent in 2016, doing terrible things to the guys running it, and has since been dragging the kingdom into the current century...
for the hajj.
Posted by:trailing wife

#8  Everybody talks about Sun Tzu (or Sun Pin) but the Chinese Mandarins were writing scrolls on "managing barbarians" thousands of years ago and passing theses insights on... Besides with a large fractious population the Chinese had plenty of practice on each other.
Posted by: magpie   2022-07-24 18:15  

#7  Ref # 5 above

With regards to Rudyard Kipling and the later British Empire:

"And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased, and the epitaph drear: A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East."
Posted by: NoMoreBS   2022-07-24 12:31  

#6   I don't think Israel's worried about its moslems not being able to hajj.

If I understand correctly, they can — they just need to fly in from Jordan or Egypt with the contingents from those countries.

Lots of things have been happening without fanfare for the past decade at least. But Israel is getting awfully tired of being snuck in through the servants entrance, when countries like Morocco celebrate reestablished formal contact.
Posted by: trailing wife   2022-07-24 11:57  

#5  Mainland China has nukes and knows how to flimflam barbarians.
Posted by: magpie   2022-07-24 11:49  

#4  Why does the world insist on "two states" made out of Israel and "one state" made from Taiwan and Mainland Taiwan?
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2022-07-24 11:24  

#3  ^ Are they even allowed to call it a white paper anymore?
Posted by: Dron66046   2022-07-24 10:22  

#2  Case study here? Someone should write a white paper on cultural incompatibility.
Posted by: Besoeker   2022-07-24 09:42  

#1  normalization can’t happen until there’s a Paleostinian state


I don't think Israel's worried about its moslems not being able to hajj. At least they shouldn't be. And neither are saudis. The Saudis can't do anything by themselves. They just need friends, to stay afloat in the churn that is the moslem world. How much anti-establishment Sunni wahhabi nonsense is stopped daily because of Israeli surveillance software and friendly inputs? I think the paleostine routine is just for the bearded, crazy eyed moslem tool who would challenge the establishment otherwise.
Posted by: Dron66046   2022-07-24 09:26  

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