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Ukraine crisis: Macron says a deal to avoid war is within reach
2022-02-07
[BBC] French President Emmanuel Macron has said he thinks a deal to avoid war in Ukraine is possible and that it is legitimate for Russia to raise its own security concerns.

Before talks in Moscow with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday, he called for a "new balance" to protect European states and appease Russia.

He restated that the sovereignty of Ukraine was not up for discussion.

Russia has massed troops on Ukraine's border but denies planning to invade.

Moscow has made a string of demands, including that the Nato defence alliance rule out Ukraine becoming a member, and that it reduce its military presence in eastern Europe.

Western countries have rejected this, instead suggesting other areas of negotiation, for example talks on cutting back nuclear weaponry.
Posted by:Besoeker

#18  ^ ocean horrorshow, me droog! As an unmuddied lake, Fred. As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You can rely on me, Fred.
Posted by: Merrick Ferret   2022-02-07 19:06  

#17  Some idiots though.

Hey, I resemble that remark! By the way, does this Russian sock puppet pay well? (asking for one of me droogs)
Posted by: SteveS   2022-02-07 18:45  

#16  #6 Russian sock puppets? Could be some around.
Posted by: Nero   2022-02-07 15:50  

#15  what's to prevent the Russians from taking over the canal?

All the more reason to compromise and negotiate an agreement. Russia holds all the cards. They want more than anything else to close off the possibility, for good, that NATO or any hostile power will establish a base at Sevastopol.

The equivalent for us would be the China establishing a military base on the Gulf of Mexico just across the Rio Grande.

Unthinkable, to be prevented at all costs, by ANY Russian government--even a pro-western democratic one.
Posted by: Merrick Ferret   2022-02-07 14:28  

#14  I did see that Team Syria is courting Brandon for weapons, attempting to re-form the Anti-Assad Company and Laundry Mat.

Come to think of it, Brandon does seem to be doing some real War Ghoul shit. Perhaps there is a Hunter's Art World forum you could go to with your grievances?
Posted by: swksvolFF   2022-02-07 14:04  

#13  Looks like the war ghouls on Rantburg are supporting another new war. Blood for the blood god! Fill the cemetery at Arlington with American teenagers. Folded American flags for weeping mothers everywhere!

Yeah, well, the commies are out on ficklebook too ranting about capitalism, so I'm guessing some new poll numbers are out. Perhaps a new hunger game designer is flexing.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2022-02-07 14:02  

#12  Merrick Ferret what's to prevent the Russians from taking over the canal?
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2022-02-07 10:53  

#11  Don't think you'll find many "war ghouls" at this site.

Some idiots though.
Posted by: Skidmark   2022-02-07 10:40  

#10  #4 Russia will ensure that Ukraine has access to Russian gas.

Seriously? How will they do that when it’s such a perfect weapon when the Ukrainians such feeling uppity again?

Because the Ukrainians can once again easily cut off 90% of the supply of fresh water from the North Crimean Canal to that arid peninsula called Crimea. (Another not-so-trivial story that our yellow press and hysterically anti-Russian hawks have conveniently ignored.)
Posted by: Merrick Ferret   2022-02-07 08:56  

#9  The 'ruling class' was easily identified long ago.
They were the ones with the back-to-back draft deferments.
Posted by: Besoeker   2022-02-07 07:41  

#8  #5 you'll find the ruling caste who drive those things over there <-
Posted by: Procopius2k   2022-02-07 07:24  

#7  Remember at least this much come Nov.
We have a President and a Congress that would rather secure the borders of foreign nations than protect and secure the borders they are sworn to protect by their Oath Of Office.
Posted by: NN2N1   2022-02-07 07:00  

#6  /\ Don't think you'll find many "war ghouls" at this site.
Posted by: Besoeker   2022-02-07 06:39  

#5  #1 Looks like the war ghouls on Rantburg are supporting another new war. Blood for the blood god! Fill the cemetery at Arlington with American teenagers. Folded American flags for weeping mothers everywhere!
Posted by: Sheter the Lesser9291   2022-02-07 06:11  

#4   Russia will ensure that Ukraine has access to Russian gas.

Seriously? How will they do that when it’s such a perfect weapon when the Ukrainians such feeling uppity again?
Posted by: trailing wife   2022-02-07 04:23  

#3  1. Russia and NATO agree that Ukraine will be sovereign i.e. independent of both NATO membership and Russian military coercion. In effect, Ukraine will become what Austria was during the Cold War: a non-aligned borderland.

2. NATO will allow inspections by Russia of its missile facilities at forward bases in nations bordering Ukraine and Russia.

3. Russia will pull its forces back to some agreed-upon distance from the Ukrainian border. Russia will cease provocations in eastern Ukraine in exchange for limited autonomy for those Russian-speaking regions.

4. Ukraine will ensure that Russian Crimea has access to Ukrainian fresh water sources. Russia will ensure that Ukraine has access to Russian gas.

5. US and Russia will create a working group to explore cooperation against Islamist and other threats on Russia's southern flank, including in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

6. Brandon shall not be required to leave his bunker or take questions on any of the above. All official US statements will be scripted by Nicholas Burns, Thomas Graham and other old Russia Hands at State and will be read by an animatronic version of the current POTUS.

Posted by: Merrick Ferret   2022-02-07 01:36  

#2  not if slow joe has something to do with it.
Posted by: Chris   2022-02-07 00:58  

#1  "Peace in our Time." Part deux?
Posted by: magpie   2022-02-07 00:44  

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