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Afghanistan
Air defense system installed in Afghan capital
2021-07-12
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Posted by:Fred

#6  Some interesting history there, Zhang Fei!

I had not considered other players joining the game. But it is Calvinball, after all.


The media is lazy, stupid, incurious and addicted to pre-formulated story templates. The current story template is that any side the US supports in a war is going to lose because of corruption. In reality, all sides are corrupt in their own way. In general, victors in a military conflict win because of superior military competence and/or greater quantities of manpower/supplies. North Vietnam was a highly-competent force for the region. It would have conquered all of Southeast Asia clear to Papua New Guinea provided the Chinese and the Soviets were prepared to equip them and Uncle Sam (or the UK or Australia) did not supply or provide direct military assistance to those countries. They would have won quickly because they were (1) highly-competent, and (2) prepared to kill any enemy civilians who stood in the way. They steamrolled the Khmer Rouge, also blooded after years of war against Lon Nol's regime, in 2(!) weeks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese_War
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2021-07-12 21:07  

#5  Haven't you heard of the Pakistan Air Force?

Some interesting history there, Zhang Fei!

I had not considered other players joining the game. But it is Calvinball, after all.
Posted by: SteveS   2021-07-12 20:45  

#4  The Taliban has an air force now?

Haven't you heard of the Pakistan Air Force? They weren't going to bomb the Afghan government as long as Uncle Sam was around. Now that Uncle Sam is gone ... How do you think the Taliban won the first time around? Note that a bunch of Pakistani regulars were evacuated from Afghanistan after 9/11 before Uncle Sam showed up.

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/afghan2/Afghan0701-02.htm

Observers interviewed by Human Rights Watch in Afghanistan and Pakistan have reported that Pakistani aircraft assisted with troop rotations of Taliban forces during combat operations in late 2000 and that senior members of Pakistan's intelligence agency and army were involved in planning major Taliban military operations.103 The extent of this support has attracted widespread international criticism. In November 2000 the U.N. secretary-general implicitly accused Pakistan of providing such support.104 The U.S. government was sufficiently concerned about the possibility of Pakistani involvement in the capture of the town of Taloqan by the Taliban in September 2000 that it issued a démarche to the Pakistani government in late 2000, asking for assurances that Pakistan had not been involved.105 The démarche listed features of the assault on Taloqan that suggested the Taliban had received outside assistance in planning and carrying out the attack. These features were uncharacteristic of the Taliban's known capabilities, including the length of the preparatory artillery fire, the fact that much of the fighting took place at night, the Taliban's willingness to sustain heavy casualties, and the disciplined halting of the offensive after the city fell.106

This would not be the first time that the Taliban suddenly showed new military prowess and innovation. On several occasions between 1995 and 1999, the Taliban's military skills improved abruptly on the eve of particularly pivotal battles, and in one case, declined just as abruptly after a credible threat of intervention was made by an outside power. During its offensives in 1995 against Herat and in 1996 against Kabul, for example, the Taliban suffered heavy losses after mounting attacks against veteran government forces. Initial defeats were followed by a period of quiet; then Taliban troops mounted new attacks, displaying capabilities that had been conspicuously lacking before. At Herat in April 1995, a 6,000-man Taliban army was defeated by government troops after it ran short of ammunition and other logistical support; the rout was such that some analysts predicted that the Taliban phenomenon had run its course.107 Instead, after retraining and refitting, in August 1995 Taliban troops retreating in the face of an offensive by government troops suddenly counterattacked, ambushing the government's spearhead forces while mobile units mounted in 4x4 pickup trucks outflanked the government army and cut the roads connecting it with its rear-area supply depots. Retreating government units tried and failed to establish a defensive line as Taliban units in pickup trucks-many armed with antiaircraft cannon and rocket launchers-repeatedly outflanked the new positions and attacked from the rear, leaving the paved roads at will and driving their vehicles across open ground and rugged, hilly terrain. The pickup trucks, whose delivery was facilitated by Pakistan, introduced a kind of mobile warfare that had not been seen in the fighting before.108

Similarly, after Taliban offensives aimed at Kabul were thoroughly defeated during the autumn of 1995, with significant losses of men and equipment, a period of quiet ensued, but Taliban troops then renewed their attacks and displayed a notable increase in technical capability. Taking Jalalabad on September 11, 1996 and striking north toward the town of Sarobi, a district capital east of Kabul and the linchpin of the government defensive system around the capital, the Taliban troops suddenly displayed the same flair for speed and flank attacks as at Herat in August 1995. Again, retreating government troops were caught off-guard by the speed of the attacks by Taliban forces and their penchant for crossing rough ground in 4x4 pickup trucks and attacking on the government's flanks.109

In these operations Taliban forces used a speed and technical proficiency very uncharacteristic of mujahidin forces generally; the normal pattern of mujahidin warfare was hit-and-run raiding and low-level skirmishing. At Spin Boldak and subsequently at Herat, Kabul, and Mazar-i Sharif, Taliban forces displayed excellent command-and-control capabilities, reacted quickly to changes in battlefield fortunes, and in particular used mobility and maneuvers that were more characteristic of a professional army-specifically, of professional officers and noncommissioned officers trained in the practice of mobile warfare-than of Afghan mujahidin.110

This point was repeatedly emphasized to Human Rights Watch by Western military observers of Taliban combat operations. During one interview, Human Rights Watch was told that following the killings of eight Iranian diplomats and one Iranian reporter at the Iranian consulate in Mazar-i Sharif in August 1998, the Taliban forces that were advancing eastward from the city against resistance from Jamiat, Wahdat, and some Junbish forces suddenly faltered and lost their unusual combat proficiency.111 At the time, the disappearance of the Iranian officials had provoked a major crisis with Iran and a substantial Iranian military force (ultimately close to 250,000 men) was massing on the Afghan/Iranian border. The Iranian government explicitly blamed Pakistan for the incident (Pakistan had given assurances for the diplomats' safety) and threatened military intervention if the diplomats were not produced.112 The sudden decline in Taliban military effectiveness, according to these sources, was caused by the withdrawal of Pakistani military advisers as part of an effort by Pakistan to prevent the crisis from getting out of control.113
Are Pakistanis spearheading the current Taliban offensive? We'll find out eventually.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2021-07-12 19:06  

#3  US taxpayers give money to Afghanistan government.

Afghanistan government takes a big scoop and then buys weapons they can't use from US defense contractors. Taliban doesn't have an air force.

Everybody wins! Well, except the US taxpayer. But fuck them, amirite?
Posted by: Jiggs Trotsky5854   2021-07-12 02:22  

#2  "It is the most used system in the world for repelling rockets and missiles," the Interior Ministry said

C-RAM?
Posted by: Snomoth Whereling9836   2021-07-12 00:46  

#1  The Taliban has an air force now?
Posted by: SteveS   2021-07-12 00:15  

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