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Pakistan: What's behind child sexual abuse incidents in madrasas

2021-06-30

[DW] Experts think several factors are behind the incidents at Pakistain's religious schools. "The children will not speak against holy mans out of fear, and holy mans will definitely not admit anything," one commentator told DW.
No shit. I mean Allahu Akhbar!
A recent sexual abuse case involving a madrasa student and a high-profile religious leader in Pakistain's eastern city of Lahore rocked the country.

The case involved Mufti Aziz ur Rehman and his student Sabir Shah, who told DW that the holy man sexually abused him for more than a year.

Rehman belonged to Jamaat Ulema Islam, the organization of religious scholars that believes in an extremely conservative interpretation of Islam.

It was not an isolated incident. Shortly after, a video of child sexual abuse involving a Shiite holy man emerged. In May 2017, a nine-year-old boy was raped by a holy man in Pak Pattan; in 2018 a Lahore-based holy man was booked for raping a minor; and in 2019, a 13-year old disabled girl was sexually assaulted by a holy man in Multan
Multan

...Home of the Multan Sultans...
The cases have given rise to calls for accountability in Pakistain. Many are blaming religious seminaries. But holy mans vehemently reject that their educational institutions are at fault.
"If Allah didn't want us to have access and use of young nubile boys and girls, they'd be born as adults, amirite? Ulululu!"
More than 2.2 million children study in over 36,000 registered and unregistered madrasas in the South Asian country. An overwhelming majority of the students are from impoverished parts of Pakistain's northwestern, western and eastern provinces.

Posted by:trailing wife

#16 What's behind the sexual abuse?
An Imam.

Posted by: Skidmark 2021-06-30 20:14

#15 ^Lets try another approach Wren-shi. I'm sure there are a lot of poor people in India who are exploited and abused by the rich. Nevertheless, you do not advocate communist revolution because you seen how it worked out in Russia/China.
We in the West seen how feminism worked out. Not the fault of early feminists, except "I didn't mean" doesn't cut it.

p.s. Do not assume that professional women in the West are happy.

Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-06-30 16:05

#14 ^Ewww... I don't want men to become second class citizens or forcefully feminize them like in the West.

Posted by: Wren 2021-06-30 15:43

#13 ^I cannot judge what goes on in India. But I do know that turning men into second class citizens in the West didn't work out so well.

Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-06-30 15:21

#12 Yep straightaway killing rapists reduces rapes. But in India they are released into general public via finding loopholes within our legal systems. My country is pretty conservative yet do not punish them.

Posted by: Wren 2021-06-30 15:01

#11 #9 Thank you Mrs. Wife for cheering me up with your kind words.
But it is extremely frustrating to feel trapped within stupid beliefs and customs. I feel envious of women living in Western countries and women iving in China.

Posted by: Wren 2021-06-30 14:55

#10 Also it's pretty pointless when good men are apologetic for the actions of beasts.

Personally, I don't see how affirmative action helps stop rapes (I do know what stops rapes, but that because I'm not a good man.). In fact, as Dron points out, feminism is part of the liberal package that also includes going easy on rapists.

Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-06-30 14:42

#9 (I wish Mr. Wife still had responsibilities in India, just so I could order him to host a dinner party for Dron and Mrs. Dron, Ms Wren, and a few suitable young people that Dron and his adored wife suggested. But alas, his company moved him to Europe in 1991...)

Posted by: trailing wife 2021-06-30 14:34

#8 Also it's pretty pointless when good men are apologetic for the actions of beasts.

Posted by: Wren 2021-06-30 14:12

#7 Chinese women hold the highest social status in Asia and they think that they should credit American feminist movements with having improved the treatment of women early in the last century. Why can't we do the same?

Avani Chaturvedi, Seema Rao, Mary Kom, Kalpana Chawla, Arunima Sinha and more-they are our successes. Many Indian women do not have that level of support system, resources, freedom. Neither do I want to assimilate western pattern feminism in our politics, but women in India will always receive backlash for standing up to misogyny.

Posted by: Wren 2021-06-30 14:09

#6 the modern 3rd wave inersectional feminism which focuses on identity politics, equality of outcome...

That's just it. As soon as you seek an 'ism' to help you fight for your individual right, you're part of the larger machine, whether you want it or not. You cannot say to the one standing next to you 'I'm not into that!' And the reins of the global progressive movement which ate up feminism long ago are all in men's hands; the women icons all advised by their lawyers and managers and patronized by Soros and his kind. They control the funding, they condescendingly shower the unwarranted praise and they prop up wimmin like Thunberg, Barkha Dutt and Arundhati Roy.

No one props up an Avani Chaturvedi or a Seema Rao or a Mary Kom. They get there on their own steel. Those who need a movement to protect them inevitably end up needing protection from the movement. That's all I'm saying.

Maybe I cannot ever understand it from a lady's point of view, for that I am sorry. I am sorry also that we can't ever hope to kill the predators fast enough for everyone to feel safe, until the constitutions themselves are radically reformed.

Posted by: Dron66046 2021-06-30 13:42

#5 Uh..how do men control feminism?

Ok let's not focus on the modern 3rd wave inersectional feminism which focuses on identity politics, equality of outcome rather than opportunity, and more concerned with ideology than with physical reality, laced with misandry, sexism, and racism. Heck it even prizes victimhood, which is super weird. Such stupid school of thought will never reach India.

India needs feminism cuz most women are still not seen as human beings with emotions. No matter how modestly we dress we are still raped, catcalled, flashed at, groped, leered at. Trust me, it never works. Here, a woman can “tempt” a man, by just existing, and breathing.

Even in metropolitan cities people are so misogynistic, it's the same shit. Personally, I'm so worried about my safety that I’d voluntarily confine myself to the home, or limit my own mobility.

Posted by: Wren 2021-06-30 13:19

#4 Some are just limp dick have-nots who can't bare the thought of girls taking all those 'opportunities'. But those who resist western pattern feminism as a political platform in India have a point.

America is a running exhibit of what feminism wreaks on an otherwise clever society. The sexes have their roles, clearly defined by the differences nature gave them. It is a conceit of the liberal progressive woman to push for special avenues for women in everything, just out of a sense of being left out of power roles. For example, unlike the smaller population of Israel, we don't really need wimmin fighters in our military. But there's a push for it, because the State is seen as an agency of wish fulfillment for the masses. And baby ji wants that uniform.

That is what democratizing everything does, it lets all and sundry dictate their wishes until what you have is men barging into women's sports as 80 kilo L0litas and hammering the daylights out of you. Bit by that time feminists are in denial and happily cheer for their sisters getting their faces smashed. What's more, most of the feminism is actually controlled and directed unseen by... men.

I can appreciate an individual fighting for her right to be treated as an individual. The moment they try and step on some collective identity platform, somebody owns them.

Posted by: Dron66046 2021-06-30 05:38

#3 Aashram series ko toh 'hinduphobic' label karchuke hain ye log.
Doosri cheez, ye apne desh ke naujawan 'mard' feminism se itna nafrat kyu kartein hain??

Posted by: Wren 2021-06-30 04:31

#2 Give dominance over the vulnerable to people who are essentially uneducated, unmotivated, unprincipled slackers and con men - or religious leaders - and this is what you get.

Blame the parents who trust the myth of 'holy man good'. These are yet poor and shit-for-brains Pakis sending their young to learn to read. Thousands have been abused and raped by the Roman Catholic clergy in first world 'evolved' societies, and I'll bet also by Mormons and other communities where absolute psychological dominance is insisted upon by pathological 'leaders' over flocks of 'sheep'. Those interpreters of God that show up everywhere unchallenged and tax-exempt.

In India, female victims are preferred because the homo taboo is very strong in all religions, so there must be crores of women out there who have been abused by some religious head at least once in youth. It's all about non-accountability and dominance.

Predators will always remain with us. It's our dependence on religion and community and reluctance to be individually self reliant that brings our weakest to their jaws.

The series 'Aashram' was a very scathing indictment of this religion thuggery in India, you should watch how the girls pander to their groping lecherous messiah and feel all 'oh my shit!' surprised when he rapes them.

Posted by: Dron66046 2021-06-30 03:04

#1 What's behind child sexual abuse incidents in madrasas?
Hawas and Islam.

Posted by: Wren 2021-06-30 00:58

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