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-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
What Are Vaccine Passports‐And How Would They Work?
2021-03-16
[CNT] The COVID-19 vaccine continues to roll out slowly but surely, with President Joe Biden estimating that all adults in the U.S. will have access to a dose by the end of May.

But as we continue the long march toward herd immunity, or the tipping point when enough people are inoculated to halt community spread of the virus, there is a growing question about whether proof of vaccination will soon be required to get back to daily activities like eating in restaurants, flying on planes, or traveling abroad.

The travel industry—and airlines especially—are lobbying for a standardization of health forms like vaccine status and COVID-19 test results.

"It is crucial to establish uniform guidance," more than two dozen airline trade organizations, labor unions, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce wrote in a letter to the White House on Monday, according to the AP. The groups stated that "the U.S. must be a leader in this development."

Many airlines have already attempted to standardize test results among their own passengers, turning to technology by partnering with apps like Common Pass, VeriFly, or Travel Pass from the International Air Transportation Association. These types of apps can also be adapted to show vaccine status as well, and several airlines such as Qantas and Virgin Atlantic have voiced support for requiring all passengers to be vaccinated in order to board their planes.

Earlier this month, President Biden asked federal agencies to explore options for so-called vaccine passports. But it's not yet clear if or when the documents will become a requirement for travel.

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Posted by:Besoeker

#12  ^IMO, maybe you don't have enough belief in your countrymen
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-03-16 14:08  

#11  They don't need to knock on your door at 3 a.m. if they can use access to things like employment, air travel, schools and restaurants to coerce you into the desired behavior.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2021-03-16 13:32  

#10  #6 My point TW, is don't make an elephant out of a fly. A suppressive regime doesn't need all these things you conservatives always worry about - all they need is people willing to knock on your door at 3 am.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-03-16 12:25  

#9  Glenmore, I too have that yellow booklet that I got in the Navy 50 years ago. I never had to use it to travel though. Maybe I haven't gone to the right countries.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia   2021-03-16 12:08  

#8  Passports of any kind are designed specifically to control peoples access and movements. I find it hard for anyone that has traveled to a repressive country to argue differently, except of course for Jane Fonda who travelled freely in North Viet-Nam..
Posted by: 49 Pan   2021-03-16 11:58  

#7  Once upon a time I had to have a little yellow cardstock booklet that I kept with my passport; it had my immunization records, signed by physician IIRC, and was needed to travel to and from at least some foreign countries. Various countries had different immunization requirements and recommendations. Or am I imagining it?
Posted by: Glenmore   2021-03-16 11:56  

#6   Be prepared for a much stronger response 10 - 12 hours after the second jab

Yes. But I prefer that to the risk of going through what Fred is still recovering from, since I have interesting co-morbidities.

The laminated Ohio-issued driver’s license with holographic security thingy — or non-driver’s license for those who need a photo ID without driving — is not nearly as easy to forge as a bit of printed card with a container label stuck on and my name and the date the dose was given scribbled on by an anonymous pharmacist,
Posted by: trailing wife   2021-03-16 11:42  

#5  (a) I am experiencing a slight soreness in the muscle where the needle was inserted, but nothing more thus far

Be prepared for a much stronger response 10 - 12 hours after the second jab (much stronger immune response)
It's a good sign.

(b) All of your arguments (faked, etc...) apply to voter ID.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-03-16 10:48  

#4   I'm missing something.

Requiring identification is neutral, g(r)omgoru. The purpose to which it is put determines whether it protects liberty or reduces it. Requiring photo identification in order to vote in order to limit the franchise to actual citizens and prevent all sorts of cheating — voting outside one’s district or voting multiple times or voting as someone else— protects liberty. Requiring an easily forged vaccination certificate in order to engage in everyday activities without providing for certification of naturally acquired immunity via previous infection or natural resistance to the particular infection reduces liberty while doing nothing to reduce the probability of contracting and spreading the disease in question. I’ve already seen reports of forged vaccine certificates, and where governments do make that a requirement, there will be more. I was given a vaccination record card yesterday when I got the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine (I am experiencing a slight soreness in the muscle where the needle was inserted, but nothing more thus far); it looks exactly like the vaccination record cards I’ve received for other vaccines I’ve been given in recent decades — I probably could forge a passable version of the thing myself, were I to see a need to do so
Posted by: trailing wife   2021-03-16 10:37  

#3  "Voter ID is good", "Vaccination ID is tool of tyrannical oppression"? I guess, being an ignorant foreigner and all, I'm missing something. I just wonder, what would George Washington say?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-03-16 08:22  

#2  Once in place, they will easily, VERY easily, be adapted to evil purposes. Social credit score is just the tip of the iceberg.

Just like social security number went from a tax ID to a virtual national identity document. Just like income tax went from 1% to the monstrosity it is now.
Posted by: Elmung Hatrack5948   2021-03-16 04:33  

#1  

Posted by: Fearing Squat5199   2021-03-16 03:20  

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