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20% of verified coronavirus patients did not develop immunity
2020-10-20
[JPost] - Only 80% of people who tested positive for coronavirus had antibodies to the virus, according to a report published Monday by the Central Bureau of Statistics, the Health Ministry and the Gertner Institute.

The results mean that a percentage of people who develop asymptomatic or even mild cases of the virus could contract it again.

The report was based on a serological survey conducted between June and August in the haredi (ultra-Orthodox) community of Bnei Brak. The city has had some of the highest rates of infection in the country.

The survey also found that the number of people who tested positive for antibodies increased with the number of sick patients, thought not proportionally.

In June, 2% of the Bnei Brak population tested positive and 6.3% had antibodies. In July 4.1% tested positive and 6.4% had antibodies, and in August 5.6% tested positive and 13.8% had antibodies. On average, at the time that the research concluded, some 9% of the Bnei Brak population were thought to have immunity to coronavirus.

"The infection rate is not nearly enough to assume herd immunity," said Dr. Boaz Lev, the ombudsman of the medical professions at the Health Ministry. Speaking at a briefing on Monday, he said that the results show that even in communities where the infection rate was high, social distancing and wearing masks continues to be important.
The idea of herd immunity was advanced, through WHO by the Chinese - to lessen the World backlash against their virus release. And it was eagerly grasped by all kinds of people for their personal reasons: masks are uncomfortable, lockdowns harm businesses, a$$holes must trumpet their "individuality".
The researchers said that Bnei Brak likely has a higher level of immunity today, but they could not say how high.
Moreover, the available - pre pandemic - professional literature on coronoviruses shows that even these who acquire immunity shouldn't expect it to last more than a few months.
Posted by:g(r)omgoru

#16  Foook Mahn, dey sayn I culd uv 'ad it three times now?
Posted by: swksvolFF   2020-10-20 23:14  

#15  Shoving a pregnancy test stick up the nose brings this scenario to mind
Posted by: M. Murcek   2020-10-20 21:00  

#14  8 million Americans slipped into poverty amid coronavirus pandemic, new study says

Researchers looked at the devastating financial effect the pandemic has had on Americans, with Blacks, Latinos and children faring the worst.


What’s coming after this lockdown will be worse.

I’m with that Irish lady-we’re all going to die. Then she coughed.
Posted by: Cluper and Company4908   2020-10-20 15:04  

#13  Doesn't a vaccine work on the same sort of antibodies?

Not really. Vaccine is supposed to create a set of long lived, antigen bearing Antigen Presenting Cells which restimulate lymphocytes (B & T cells) with appropriate (anti-antigen) receptor to proliferate - lymphocytes are short lived. That's how a large population of antigen-specific lymphocytes is maintained for a long time. And if there is a new infection, it yields a more rapid and stronger response - secondary response (there are nice figures in wikipedia). In particular, there is no antibody production between antigenic challenges because such antibody serves no useful purpose.

Doesn't this suggest waiting for a vaccine is foolish?

Have to remember two things.
(a) Sometimes vaccines work better than the original infecting organism.
(2) Even if active vaccination won't work, passive vaccination - which uses anti-viral antibodies produced in laboratory/industrial setup cures. That's that cured Trump. So, once where enough for everybody: you get covid (test + symptoms) you get a shot from a nurse - no need to involve a doctor. You're healthy. Repeat as needed.

p.s. Today they have a test where they shove a stick that looks exactly like pregnancy test stick up your nose, and have an answer in 15 min. Betcha they'll be selling them without prescription in a few months.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-10-20 14:48  

#12  Oh no, a world where, gasp, people won't be SAFE. It's almost like a world where people didn't die of disease before they were 40 was an abnormality and decades of eroding the sciences has consequences.

Consequences that shouldn't f***ing include locking everybody down in the vain hope of containing a genie that is very much out of the bottle.
Posted by: Vernal Hatrick   2020-10-20 14:28  

#11  Doesn't a vaccine work on the same sort of antibodies? Doesn't this suggest waiting for a vaccine is foolish?
Posted by: rjschwarz   2020-10-20 14:22  

#10  Sod off swampy.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-10-20 14:18  

#9  It must hurt to be a pharma rent-seeker AND a lockdown cultist.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2020-10-20 13:18  

#8  ^Something* tells me this paper is going to be redacted in a couple of months - when other groups will fail to replicate the results.


*We conclude that neutralizing antibodies are stably produced for at least 5-7 months after SARS-CoV-2 infection.

The dumb sh*ts [$] didn't realize that - because hospitals use plasma from recovered patients as treatment - there are dozens of papers (just type "SARS-CoV-2 antibody recovered" in Google Scholar) that show that antibody production declines to zilch in couple of months. Just as it does in any other resolved viral disease.
$ Possibly they are not cheats - just lousy experiment designers.

So, I repeat, go back to rent-seeking diatribes BP.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-10-20 11:38  

#7  Rent-seeking is when you make the government give you an income...

All I can see from the lockdown shakedown is rent-seeking.

"You're WITH the government and you're here to help" just stay in your house for 2 weeks or the sky will fall..


SARS-CoV-2 antibodies provide lasting immunity
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2020-10-20 11:08  

#6  Stick to rent-seeking, BP. Leave real word to real people.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-10-20 10:31  

#5  Grom it sounds like you need to take your own "medicine" there...

Must delay herd-immunity through lockdown until we can push a vaccine out, do you work in pharma by any chance?

95% of people dying are not dying of COVID. Most are dying because of lockdown.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2020-10-20 10:28  

#4  #2 On 30 September, the Dutch government urged citizens to wear face masks in public spaces.

Despite the government u-turn, the Dutch are still unwilling to wear masks

Could there be a connection? Neh, we were told masks don't work by the best authorities, the very best authorities!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-10-20 10:07  

#3  Oh jeez more herd immunity denial from the lockdown cultust.

It's impossible to argue with a true believer. Facts that don't fit the party line/revealed truth are sabotage/attempts-to-corrupt-innocent-souls by deviationists/Devil's minions. IMO, you live in the wrong time and place BP.

Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-10-20 09:55  

#2  Daily coronavirus infection rates are 48% higher in the UK and nearly four-times higher in the Netherlands compared to the US where the latest 'wave' of the pandemic is growing more slowly
Posted by: Skidmark   2020-10-20 09:14  

#1  Oh jeez more herd immunity denial from the lockdown cultust.
20% of people asymptomatically had the virus but didn't develop immunity means the virus could NOT infect their body full stop.

It does not mean they could get it again.

Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2020-10-20 08:32  

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