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| Israelis who fell sick with COVID-19 twice: Second time was worse |
| 2020-09-29 |
| [Jpost] - Some Israelis who seemingly recovered from COVID-19 and then fell sick with symptoms a second time say that the second round was more difficult, according to Channel 12. "In the first round I had a few symptoms, this time I have crazy pains," 28-year-old Roi Elmaliah told Channel 12. "I have a fever, stomach pains and muscle pains that because of them, I can't sleep at night." Shira Hillel, 24, also recently fell sick with COVID-19 for a second time. "In 'Corona A' I had light symptoms like a lack of taste and smell; this time was harder physically," explained Hillel to Channel 12. "I feel the body weakness, the headaches and sometimes difficulty breathing a lot more. I won't lie, this is also hard mentally. I feel like a leper." Hillel was first infected with the virus in June, after her brother infected a large portion of her family. Since then, she was confirmed as negative for the virus twice and thought she would be immune, at least for a few months. "They put it into our heads so much that we were immune for at least three months and that we were developing antibodies, so yes, in my head I thought that I didn't need to get tested again and that I didn't really need a mask. I only wore it because I had to," added Hillel. Hillel realized that she had been infected again after she began to experience muscle pains similar to those she had when she was infected the first time. Prof. Arnon Ofek, deputy director-general of Sheba Medical Center, told Channel 12 that while this kind of situation is relatively rare, it is showing up in literature around the world. "The first case was in Hong Kong, but there were also cases in Nevada and other places. Some of the cases were lighter but some were more severe." "We don't really know everything about the virus and it will still surprise us in many things. In the end, immunity is created but it is different between people. We believe that there is a degree of protection," said Ofek. "This also has importance regarding the vaccine: We know that people will need two doses and that we will have to vaccinate again in X [amount of] time." ...Dr. David Strain, a clinical senior lecturer at the University of Exeter and chairman of the British Medical Association's medical academic staff committee, said the cases were worrying for several reasons. "The first is that it suggests that previous infection is not protective," he said. "The second is that it raises the possibility that vaccinations may not provide the hope that we have been waiting for." Thank G*d For Eli Lilly |
| Posted by:g(r)omgoru |
| #8 Wonder if the space station has an extra bunk. Good news: Yes. Bad news: If the Dems win, they'll have the ISS on lockdown due to the Chinese Plague. |
| Posted by: gorb 2020-09-29 18:00 |
| #7 Good Lord! Wonder if the space station has an extra bunk. |
| Posted by: Vespasian Ebbereng3110 2020-09-29 17:34 |
| #6 #5 Technical remark "antibody fragment" will not function in binding antigen. And even if it does, binding is just the beginning. And all the rest requires the constant part. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-09-29 12:45 |
| #5 <speculation> A first time Wuhan virus infection is asymptomatic or very mild common cold like in the vast majority of cases, but also highly contagious. In a large cohort the infection does not confer immunity but makes the immune system overreact to a second infection, causing high mortality rates and permanent damage in survivors. The observed pandemic is the second wave. The first wave started earlier and wasn't noticed. The optimal prophylactic medication would be an antibody or antibody fragment that deactivates the virions by attaching to and blocking relevant structures but doesn't interact with the human immune system. There's a danger that active immunization will trigger or increase the likelihood of an autoimmune reaction as the vaccine must resemble the virus in its interaction wit the immune system. </speculation> |
| Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 2020-09-29 12:10 |
| #4 ^Google Eli Lilly Covid 19 monoclonal |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-09-29 10:48 |
| #3 So if vaccines and herd immunity are not going to work, then the only path out is global, total, 100% lockdown for an extended period of time. That is not going to happen, so we will all just get it, over and over, until it kills us. |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2020-09-29 10:17 |
| #2 ^It could be worse than that. According to Sariol, A., & Perlman, S. (2020). Lessons for COVID-19 Immunity from Other Coronavirus Infections. Immunity, 53(2), 248-263. In the only coronavirus where immune memory was actually tested, the "immune" persons have no symptoms - that far the secondary response works - but are infective. Last, but not least - the first research group to report acquired immunity to covid 19 would have a nature paper and assured academic career. So we can assume that many work on it. So far, nada. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-09-29 10:01 |
| #1 So, not a remission. A strategic retreat prior to the secondary assault. |
| Posted by: Skidmark 2020-09-29 09:41 |