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My patient caught Covid-19 twice. So long to herd immunity hopes?
2020-07-14
h/t Hot Air
[Vox] - "Wait. I can catch Covid twice?" my 50-year-old patient asked in disbelief. It was the beginning of July, and he had just tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, for a second time — three months after a previous infection.

While there’s still much we don’t understand about immunity to this new illness, a small but growing number of cases like his suggest the answer is yes.

Covid-19 may also be much worse the second time around.
I wonder, could this explain an increasing number of young people who have a symptomatic covid-19. That is, they've had an asymptomatic one already
During his first infection, my patient experienced a mild cough and sore throat. His second infection, in contrast, was marked by a high fever, shortness of breath, and hypoxia, resulting in multiple trips to the hospital.

Recent reports and conversations with physician colleagues suggest my patient is not alone. Two patients in New Jersey, for instance, appear to have contracted Covid-19 a second time almost two months after fully recovering from their first infection. Daniel Griffin, a physician and researcher at Columbia University in New York, recently described a case of presumed reinfection on the This Week in Virology podcast.

It is possible, but unlikely, that my patient had a single infection that lasted three months. Some Covid-19 patients (now dubbed "long haulers") do appear to suffer persistent infections and symptoms.

My patient, however, cleared his infection — he had two negative PCR tests after his first infection — and felt healthy for nearly six weeks.
Can we have a surprise meter? Because you know, based on our previous experiences with common cold, nobody would expect this in a million years.
So you're admitting it's like the common cold? *snicker*
Posted by:g(r)omgoru

#19  Remember when Phoney Fauci said AIDS was going to takeoff like WILDFIRE in the hetero community?

Pepperidge Farms does.
Posted by: Regular joe   2020-07-14 16:40  

#18  Liars gotta lie, to strengthen the narrative.
Posted by: Bobby   2020-07-14 15:15  

#17  Once credibility is damaged, it stays damaged. See: The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2020-07-14 14:43  

#16  Yes, sketchy tests continue.

Posted by: rjschwarz   2020-07-14 13:44  

#15  ^^But you know, actually they do (florida fig 2). Probably the medical staff drags in people from the street. Suffocates them with nylon bags & records them as covid victims.

Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-07-14 13:35  

#14  ^Always nice to deal with an open minded person.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-07-14 13:22  

#13  Are deaths increasing? No? Fuck off, scaremonger.
Posted by: Regular joe   2020-07-14 13:18  

#12   testing was a bit sketchy initially.

I thought testing is a bit sketchy still.
Posted by: trailing wife   2020-07-14 12:45  

#11  RJ notice - he did have something.
So, you've to assume that (a) he didn't have cv19 but something else + (b) the test was false positive. That is, product of probabilities. Moreover, he's not the only one.
Finally, according to current immunological theory - see the Wikipedia article I've linked above, to each pathogen there can be an appropriate and an inappropriate response. And an inappropriate is worse than no response. Surely, you've heard of allergies and delayed type hypersensitivity?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-07-14 12:18  

#10  Some thought must be given to the fact testing was a bit sketchy initially.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2020-07-14 11:40  

#9  ^Not when #2 is more severe than #1 (#1 =/= 0).
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-07-14 10:57  

#8  There does appear to be a meaningful reinfection rate, though it's really hard to say what that might be because the number (7.5-15%) is within the accuracy rate of the tests. In other words, you can explain the entire measured number of reinfections as testing errors.
Posted by: Iblis   2020-07-14 10:51  

#7  So you're admitting it's like the common cold? *snicker*

In the same way that pit bull & Chihuahua are both dogs.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-07-14 10:39  

#6  So somebody explain to me again - how does a vaccine work?
Posted by: Bobby   2020-07-14 08:50  

#5  Th2 overactivation against autoantigen will cause Type1 IgE-mediated allergy and hypersensitivity.

I think this means we are more susceptible and less responsive to the mutated second edition.
Posted by: Skidmark   2020-07-14 08:46  

#4  ^It's in the text MM.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-07-14 07:32  

#3  Caught it again or first instance never really went away?
Posted by: M. Murcek   2020-07-14 07:26  

#2  It is like the common cold.

Not worth locking the economy down for.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2020-07-14 06:45  

#1  To anybody actually interested - you know, not just to score debating points - how a second infection can be worse than the first, I can recommend:

T helper cell article in wikipedia.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-07-14 05:28  

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