You have commented 339 times on Rantburg.

Your Name
Your e-mail (optional)
Website (optional)
My Original Nic        Pic-a-Nic        Sorry. Comments have been closed on this article.
Bold Italic Underline Strike Bullet Blockquote Small Big Link Squish Foto Photo
Europe
Yankee go home: What does moving troops out of Germany mean?
2020-06-14
[YNet] - After more than a year of thinly-veiled threats to start pulling U.S. troops out of Germany unless Berlin increases its defense spending, President Donald Trump appears to be proceeding with a hardball approach, planning to cut the U.S. military contingent by more than 25%.
“Nothing personal, guys. I made you an offer. You refused.”
About 34,500 American troops are stationed in Germany - 50,000 including civilian Department of Defense employees - the plan Trump reportedly signed off on last week envisions reducing active-duty personnel to 25,000 by September, with further cuts possible.

But as details of the still-unannounced plan trickle out, there's growing concerns it will do more to harm the U.S.'s own global military readiness and the NATO alliance than punish Germany.

The decision was not discussed with Germany, nor with any other NATO members - additionally, Congress was not officially informed - prompting a letter from 22 Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee urging a rethink.

"The threats posed by Russia have not lessened, and we believe that signs of a weakened U.S. commitment to NATO will encourage further Russian aggression and opportunism," Rep. Mac Thornberry of Texas wrote in a letter to Trump with his colleagues. Sen. Jack Reed.

...The suggestion that removing troops will punish Germany, however, overlooks the fact that American troops are no longer primarily there for the country's defense, said retired Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, who commanded U.S. Army Europe from 2014 until 2017.
To me it seems that the congressman and the general contradict each other.
...Trump indicated last summer that he was thinking of moving some troops from Germany to Poland, telling Poland's President Andrzej Duda during an Oval Office meeting: "Germany is not living up to what they're supposed to be doing with respect to NATO, and Poland is."

Duda has been trying to woo more American forces, even suggesting Poland would contribute over $2 billion to create a permanent U.S. base, which he said could be named "Fort Trump." In the current plan, at least some Germany-based troops are expected to be shifted to Poland.
Well, at least, the congressman can calm down now. As for the general, betcha the troops will find living in Poland much cheaper - especially the services of the, ahem, seamstresses.
Posted by:g(r)omgoru

#21  @ #19 - BTW, EC, Zywiec is no match for Augustiner Helles.
Posted by: Clem   2020-06-14 23:09  

#20  Nie znam polskiego.
Posted by: Clem   2020-06-14 22:54  

#19  Baw się dobrze w Polsce. Ciesz się piwem.
Posted by: European Conservative   2020-06-14 22:03  

#18  @ #11 - And let's not forget former chancellor Gerhard Schröder taking a job with Gazprom about 10 minutes after no longer being chancellor.
Posted by: Clem   2020-06-14 20:07  

#17  ^ Yep
Posted by: Frank G   2020-06-14 19:32  

#16  Trump will have more flexibility in his 2nd term.

A late Snark of the Day!
Posted by: SteveS   2020-06-14 19:17  

#15  Trump will have more flexibility in his 2nd term.
Late Evening Snark O'The Day
Posted by: Klem Kadiddlehopper   2020-06-14 18:57  

#14  why should we discuss shit with Germany about pulling our own troops out?
Posted by: Chris   2020-06-14 18:22  

#13  Tell the Germans to stay the fuck out of Poland and France or else we'll be back.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2020-06-14 16:05  

#12  /\ Hear, hear!
Posted by: Clem   2020-06-14 15:57  

#11  Germans want us out. So we're going. Fuck 'em.

Germany doesn't see any threat from Russia. Otherwise they wouldn't have completed Nordstream 2.

The European idea is to neuter Russia by economic engagement. If they're not worried, why are we?

Bring the troops home. Close the bases. USA out of NATO.
Posted by: Spike Grineng8188   2020-06-14 15:45  

#10  Many generals have gotten used to the idea of funding and prestige without the achievement of anything resembling victory.

When cost/benefit analyses raise questions about how much they should be getting, it starts to get...upsetting.

Also, this is the Clinton/Bush/Obama cohort of perfumed princes, so there's that factor as well.
Posted by: charger   2020-06-14 14:23  

#9  ^You think generals backstabbing Trump because they're unhappy with his NATO moves?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-06-14 13:51  

#8  Ike: Beware the military industrial complex.
Posted by: warthogswife   2020-06-14 12:56  

#7  Be funny if it ended up with the Americans streaming thru the Fulda Gap instead of the Rooskis.
Posted by: SteveS   2020-06-14 11:43  

#6  ^Turn around is fair play.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-06-14 11:30  

#5  Poland's President Andrzej Duda during an Oval Office meeting: "Germany is not living up to what they're supposed to be doing with respect to NATO, and Poland is."

So, let Poland annex Germany (they already took Silesia). Then our troops will be in Poland, not Germany. No relocation costs. (do I need to put a /sarc on that?)
Posted by: Procopius2k   2020-06-14 11:20  

#4  Spinsters like sweet talk best.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-06-14 09:53  

#3  Spinsters, too.
Posted by: Clem   2020-06-14 09:45  

#2  All "seamstresses" like greenbacks.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-06-14 09:39  

#1  Lots of German girls like black GIs. White German guys don't like that. So we'll see.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2020-06-14 09:35  

00:00