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| Sweden's Coronavirus Approach Is Starting To Look Like A Mistake |
| 2020-04-10 |
| h/t HotAir The Swedish experiment continues to be one of the most interesting things happening in the world right now. Pretty much every other country in the world, including Sweden’s neighbors Denmark and Norway, have adopted similar types of government-ordered social distancing. But in Sweden, the country is merely asking people to be sensible and hoping that’s enough to slow the spread of the virus. ...In the past few weeks, the country has experienced a bizarre nationalistic wave dubbed "public health nationalism" ("folkhälsonationalism"), which celebrates Sweden as an island of common sense in a sea of panic and resistance to science. According to this narrative promulgated by authorities and media alike, cultural exceptionalism ‐ such as high public trust ‐‐ makes Sweden particularly well-equipped to manage the pandemic. When asked why Sweden’s strategy deviates from other countries’, Sweden’s influential former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke quipped, "That is because everyone else is doing it wrong." He went on to explain how he could be so confident: "I think we will manage the epidemic without destroying the economy more than necessary. The absolutely most important thing is to protect the elderly from getting infected. I think we succeed quite well in that. It lies in the Swedish national character to do as one is told." ...A head doctor at a major hospital in Sweden says the current approach will "probably end in a historical massacre." He says healthcare workers at his hospital who have tested positive for the virus but are asymptomatic have been advised to continue working. He asked to remain anonymous because "it is frowned upon to speak of the epidemic or to go against the official vision" but said he felt a need to speak out from an "ethical and medical point of view." To me the most noteworthy thing about Sweden is that, unlike every other industrialized country in the Word, the deaths outnumber the recoveries. Which suggests only two possibilities: Swedish doctors are worth spit, or they been ordered to practice die Selektion on patients. |
| Posted by:g(r)omgoru |
| #19 RE #3...my bad source was March 13 involving NYT and CDC. |
| Posted by: crazyhorse 2020-04-10 17:20 |
| #18 Active run a time course. I just like to look at the outcomes. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-10 17:16 |
| #17 I said "active" cases. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2020-04-10 17:09 |
| #16 #14 Not really, because "infected" is a sum. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-10 16:06 |
| #15 after a few weeks, of course. In Germany the number of recovered will soon overturn that of active cases. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2020-04-10 16:03 |
| #14 It's pretty obvious that people who don't die can (mostly) be put into the "recovered" column. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2020-04-10 16:02 |
| #13 #11 Did you actually read the sentence? How about numbers? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-10 13:18 |
| #12 ^Since mid Feb |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-10 13:17 |
| #11 "deaths outnumber the recoveries" They certainly don't. In many countries recoveries are not reported. In Germany, they do now. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2020-04-10 13:10 |
| #10 I'd like to see Swedish stats disaggregated by ethnicity, country of origin, and sub-region or urban district/precinct. That's almost certainly where you'll find the explanation for the disparity. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-10 13:02 |
| #9 Still think the Swedes are hoping the virus eliminates their immigrant problems leaving them with a clean conscience. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2020-04-10 12:59 |
| #8 Turkey Coronavirus Cases: 42,282. Deaths: 908. Recovered: 2,142. Sweden Coronavirus Cases: 9,685. Deaths: 870 Recovered: 205. 908/2142 = 0.4 << 4.24 = 870/205. Do I need to comment? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-10 12:32 |
| #7 I should have put quotation marks around the last paragraph as it is a quote from the source. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2020-04-10 12:24 |
| #6 USA Today reported the following today: Good Friday, coronavirus pandemic, severe storms in the Northeast: 5 things to know Friday. The fact that about half of the people tested are running around asymptomatic was interesting. Possibly people have the virus and it is resolved with little knowledge they have the virus. Most of the people, but not all, don't die from the virus. For example, folk singer John Prine, died in Nashville of complications attributed to COVID-19. Come to find out, he had two previous bouts with cancer. One cancer affected his throat and neck while the other was lung cancer. He had to have one lung removed. He smoked a pack of cigarettes/day for 35 years before advised to quick by his doctor. One problem being reported is that everything people die from is being attributed to CV-19. The probably insures federal money will be directed to these "hot spots." By Friday, Iceland will have achieved something no other country has: tested 10% of its population for coronavirus, a figure far higher than anywhere else in the world. WIth a population over 364,000, their findings are startling: about half of its citizenry at any given time who have coronavirus but don't know it, will be asymptomatic — a large percentage many experts have suspected, but have had little firm data to corroborate. "That's a bit scary, They could be spreading it and not knowing it," said Kari Stefansson, a scientist involved in the testing who noted that Iceland tested citizens at random by selecting names out of the country's main telephone directory. Coronavirus has swept the globe, infecting more than 1.6 million people and killing at least 95,000.. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2020-04-10 12:22 |
| #5 Citing Vox? |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2020-04-10 10:05 |
| #4 Take it from a Minnesotan. Folk sometimes think I'm joking when I explain, Swedes are Norwegians with their brains scooped out. |
| Posted by: Woodrow 2020-04-10 09:50 |
| #3 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have said that under a worst-case scenario, between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. – 48% to 64% of Americans – could be become infected over the course of the epidemic, |
| Posted by: crazyhorse 2020-04-10 09:01 |
| #2 ^^As designed. |
| Posted by: Phineter Turkeyneck6202 2020-04-10 06:47 |
| #1 The only way to see what's really going on is when everyone in the country has had antibody tests and tests to show the virus is not active... I have a feeling this virus comes back from dormant a lot |
| Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2020-04-10 06:32 |