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Marines to call for end of iconic machine gun: M2 'Ma Deuce' will soon be replaced
2020-01-22
[Washington Examiner] Special operations Marines are aiming to replace their long-serving and iconic M2 machine gun. After more than 80 years with the M2 "Ma Deuce" weapon, Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command, otherwise known as MARSOC, is seeking to lighten its machine gun load.

First produced in 1933, the M2 quickly earned a reputation for reliability and power and is the longest-serving weapon in the U.S. military arsenal. Its .50-caliber round is one of the largest in existence, allowing the user to hit targets at more than 8,000 yards. With a firing rate reaching nearly 600 rounds per minute, the M2 is formidable in a firefight.

"Witnessing the downrange effects of the .50-caliber bullet is an eye-opening experience," wrote Gordon Rottman, author of Browning .50-Caliber Machine Guns. "There are few who can say they were wounded by a .50-cal. Those hit seldom say much more."

But all the power of the "Ma Deuce" comes with a price. Weighing in at more than 80 pounds, the M2 and its large-caliber ammunition are a heavy cargo ‐ hence, the search for a lighter substitute.

Two potential replacements have come forward. The Sig Sauer MG 338 system has completed a safety certification, company president Robert Cohen said in a statement. Also in contention is General Dynamics’s Lightweight Medium Machine Gun. The replacement weapon could come on-line as early as 2021.

Created by the renowned firearms designer John Browning, the "Ma Deuce" has been used by more than 100 countries around the world, from Argentina to Zimbabwe. In the United States, it has been used by war fighters beyond those in MARSOC. The Army's Audie Murphy was awarded the Medal of Honor after single-handedly holding off a German squad with the help of an M2. Six decades later, Army Sgt. 1st Class Paul Ray Smith died while protecting a military aid station from dozens of Iraqi fighters, firing at them with an M2.
Posted by:Besoeker

#7  Like it was noted, the M2's main failing is headspace and timing fussiness. Fix that (the mass is needed I think) and we are good.
I have spent a long time on the M2's design.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike   2020-01-22 21:27  

#6  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc&feature=related
Posted by: crazyhorse   2020-01-22 18:13  

#5  I doubt they will fully get rid of Ma Deuce. Back in 93-96 they tried to replace the M-60 with the M-249 SAW (replace 7.62 with 5.56).

The 5.56 didn't have the ass to punch through windshields (it would ricochet off due to the high angle of deflection of the glass, just like modern tank armor), it didn't go through the concrete blocks that most of the houses in the ME are made out of.

The SAW still had its uses, but the US modernized the M-60 and kept the machine gun in inventory for the heavy weapon squads.

I see something similar happening with the 50 cal. The new weapon will replace most platoon level mechanized MGs but the M2 will stay on company and battalion security and heavy weapon groups.
Posted by: DarthVader   2020-01-22 17:42  

#4  Cant wait till they show up on the CMP. Should be many classified as C&R.
Posted by: BrerRabbit   2020-01-22 17:01  

#3  M2 Browning Step By Step Headspace Timing
YouTube video of setting the MaDeuce headspace and timing in a mere 8 minutes. Try doing it before inserting the beast into the Tank Commanders coupola and not screwing up the barrel settings when trying to fit it to the link chute adaptor. Many a long morning on the range....
Posted by: NoMoreBS   2020-01-22 12:36  

#2  Somehow I just don't think this is going to work out. That gun is heavy for a reason.
Posted by: gorb   2020-01-22 12:18  

#1  But will the replacement be able to punch a hole in the engine of an oncoming suicide vehicle while it is still at a safe distance?
Posted by: Glenmore   2020-01-22 10:48  

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