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Home Front: WoT
What Really Happened at NAS Pensacola, and Why
2019-12-12
Excerpt:
[DB] What is it like training an international student?

Each nation is different, and it was interesting to see some stereotypes play out and interact with different cultures. The Swedish and Norwegians were your typical vikings. The Germans were often humorless, focused, and smart. The Singaporeans were incredibly disciplined, and this group of students policed itself in an impressive manner. Any Sing who did poorly on a flight or test would have the other students ensure they did well the next time around. I’d gladly fight alongside any of these guys any day of the week. I stay in touch with several of my students as their careers advance.

The Saudi students have an entirely different reputation and structure to their training. While all of the other nations employ a form of meritocracy to be in the flight program, the Saudi students are typically the child of a Saudi sheik, politician, or member of a rich/important Saudi family. They all drive luxury vehicles, and flaunt their wealth to the other students and instructors. It isn’t unusual to see a Saudi student wearing designer shoes that cost thousands of dollars in their uniforms instead of their issued shoes or boots.

The Saudis do not stand any of the squadron watches (Like assistant OOD, where the flight schedule is executed), while other nations participate fully in squadron functions. The Saudis also have a cadre of senior officers in Pensacola, ostensibly to monitor and aid the progress of the students. They employ a number of former/retired (US) Navy pilots to serve as tutors to the Saudis, and also to provide instruction on how to properly interact with their US instructors and inside of American society. The retired officers also act as a liaison to the American command structure.

Our instructors are told that we can only instruct the Saudis in flying. Issues regarding disciple, respect, or military bearing, etc all have to be referred to the liaisons. Those issues are rampant among the Saudi contingent, and are well known among the chain of command. While there are certainly some Saudi students who have been respectful and disciplined, the norm is an aloof, arrogant child who seeming feels superior to his instructor.

American and non-Saudi international students are expected to show up to the pre-flight briefs ready to explain all of the concepts required in the flight to the instructor (proof they study and paid attention in class). Saudi students often show to briefs unprepared to meet that standard, and expect the material to be presented to them anew. The norm for the Saudis is to pass the student regardless of performance, unless they are simply a danger to themselves, then they get referred back through the liaisons.
Posted by:Besoeker

#16  goat herders

"You used Herb worship words! Only Herbists can use those words..." Channeling Start Trek TOS The Omega Glory
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-12-12 12:13  

#15  Possibly snark o'the geologic era. Well done, Mercutio.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2019-12-12 11:48  

#14  Thankya verry much. I'll be here all week, Lord willing and the furnace don't quit.
Posted by: Mercutio   2019-12-12 11:28  

#13  Yeah, that's a winner!
Posted by: SteveS   2019-12-12 10:36  

#12  Mercutio wins Snark o’the Day. Possibly the week.
Posted by: trailing wife   2019-12-12 10:30  

#11  C'mon, cut them some slack. A hundred years ago they were just goat herders. You can't expect them to create a viable, technological country in that little a span of time. They're not Jews, for Jeebus' sake.

Snark O'The Day
Posted by: Mercutio   2019-12-12 09:13  

#10  Let's not ignore their reputation for manufacturing, design, engineering and innovation.
Posted by: SteveS   2019-12-12 08:54  

#9  Maybe they can self-reflect on why the Mighty Saudi Forces can't beat a bunch of Yemeni Houthi goat-humpers without outside help?
Posted by: Frank G   2019-12-12 08:47  

#8  ..they never ask themselves why they're at the kaffir's school and not their own. But, yeah, the kaffir is inferior.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2019-12-12 08:14  

#7  i wonder if there's something in the koran that tells all of these guys that they are superior to the dirty kaffir

could that be part of the reason for the attitude? ponder..
Posted by: Bob Grorong1136   2019-12-12 08:06  

#6  The "Why" has been established. The "How Much, To Whom, and for How Long" remains something of a mystery.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-12-12 02:43  

#5  Of course, the supreme court prohibited it.

Jurists and lawyers, those spoilsport momzers !
Posted by: Dron66046   2019-12-12 02:02  

#4  p.s. I look at the pic: another son of Obama?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2019-12-12 01:45  

#3  Twenty year ago (approx) where was a car sticker in Israel "have Arabs, have terrorism". Of course, the supreme court prohibited it.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2019-12-12 01:43  

#2  Mercutio called it, yesterday.

So the 'instructors' are just that ? Like public school teachers who should be mindful of what they say, who may not offend the princes, let alone discipline them ?

Shut down this disgraceful thing permanently.
Posted by: Dron66046   2019-12-12 01:42  

#1  Guess the brass missed that 9-11 thingy.
Posted by: Woodrow   2019-12-12 01:23  

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