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-Land of the Free
Virginia Dems Cave on Confiscation as 2A Sanctuaries Expand
2019-12-11
[FreeBeacon] Virginia Democratic leaders abandoned their gun confiscation proposal Monday following a grassroots outpouring of opposition to gun control across the state.

Governor Ralph Northam (D.) and incoming Senate majority leader Dick Saslaw (D.) said they will no longer pursue their marquee plan to ban the possession of "assault weapons." Instead, they will include a provision to allow Virginians to keep the firearms they already own. The reversal comes before the newly elected Democratic majority has even been sworn in, after a majority of the state's counties declared themselves "Second Amendment sanctuaries."
How generous. They will allow us to keep our private property....
"In this case, the governor's assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period," Northam spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky told the Virginia Mercury.
"Fuck You" should be the response to that idea. Registration always will leade to confiscation.
The Democrats' backtracking may indicate a trend in the gun debate in Virginia. Gun-control advocates poured millions of dollars into successfully flipping the state legislature, but the outpouring of opposition to their agenda, even in deep blue areas, may cause some new members of the state legislature to be cautious about backing gun control. The concession is unlikely to end the fight brewing across the state, however, as Democrats still plan to pursue a ban on many new sales.

The Virginia Citizens Defense League, which has pushed counties to refuse to enforce unconstitutional gun laws, said there is "no doubt" the Democrats' retreat was a result of the Second Amendment sanctuary movement.

"They were hoping to play that card later, but they're playing it now because they have to find some way to slow down this whole process," Philip Van Cleave, the group's president, told the Washington Free Beacon.

Gun-rights groups said the backtracking is merely a political strategy designed to enact new gun bans and registration.
Yep
"Gov. Northam and the rest of Virginia’s anti-gun politicians’ idea of a compromise is to threaten hundreds of thousands of Virginians with felonies unless they submit to government control," Catherine Mortensen, a National Rifle Association spokesperson, told the Free Beacon. "The NRA will stand with the Commonwealth’s law-abiding gun owners in solidarity to oppose gun bans, confiscations, and registrations."

"We've been down this compromise road and their version of a compromise is they never give up anything," Van Cleave said. "We are expected to give up something every time and we're not doing it anymore. I think gun owners are tired of this and they're gonna stand up and fight this stuff."
Glad someone has figured this out about the totalitarian left
The grandfather clause offered by Northam's office had no impact on VCDL's opposition to the bill, Van Cleave said, and the group will fight any new gun ban‐whether it has a confiscation component or not.

"The problem with what his suggestion is it's still taking away guns," Van Cleave said. "Yeah, we get to keep our AR-15s, but what about the next generation and the generation after them? Who are we to negotiate away their rights and accept this crap?"

He did suggest they could work with Democrats on gun legislation if it targeted criminals instead of gun owners.
No... just no. The totalitarians will use this as the camel nose under the tent. You all will be criminals.
According to Van Cleave, there were 59 sanctuaries in the state as of Tuesday. VCDL is organizing supporters to attend 20 more meetings this week alone.
Posted by:DarthVader

#17  I live in a log house with 10 to 12" dia logs. What shoots in there, stays in there. Heh.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2019-12-11 17:35  

#16  There is, and if I need the rounds to penetrate walls with books, furniture or the concrete blocks ME homes are made of, 7.62 is my round of choice any day. Or a 50 Cal.... :D
Posted by: DarthVader   2019-12-11 17:27  

#15  large power difference between a 5.56 round and a 7.62

Momentum m*v, energy m*v^2/2
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2019-12-11 15:29  

#14  Yes, but most of these mass shooters are using carbine length AR-15's, with probably FMJ. If they are using hunting ammo, the damage it'll do is more, but there's still a large power difference between a 5.56 round and a 7.62 one. And in the event of an incident, I don't plan on using FMJ rounds until I'm out of the other kind. My home defense carbine is loaded with .308 150 gr core lokt soft points. So you'll pardon my skepticism that you'd rather be shot by a 7.62 caliber round in that case, than a 5.56 one. Same goes with my M-1 Garand, only it's 220 gr. (I know the issues with that, but I feel that if I'd had to shoot more than 20 times, I'm serious trouble anyway.) The only AR-15 I have is a DCM competition one, with a 20" heavy barrel. I don't plan on using that for any troubled times as it weights 16.5 pounds
Posted by: Silentbrick   2019-12-11 15:02  

#13  5.56 long tumbles.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2019-12-11 14:25  

#12  SilentBrick it depends. From a 20-22" barrel the 5.56 tumbles and breaks up and does a horrible amount of damage. From the shorter M-4 barrels it just makes a small puncture wound as it can't reach the speeds needed for the designed damage.

From the first Gulf War, I have seen wounds where a guy was hit in the upper left arm and the bullet tumbled along the bones and exited out his right shoulder. Another got shot in the gut, the 5.56 went through the intestines, hit the spine, broke in two and did one and a half rotations for each piece through his abdominal cavity. Lost 2/3rds of his small intestine.

I would rather get shot with a 7.62 personally than a 5.56 from a full sized M-16.
Posted by: DarthVader   2019-12-11 14:15  

#11  Only in footage, same as everything up to and including .50. Getting shot by anything is bad but there is a serious power difference between the small intermediate and the .30 cal stuff. I'm also well aware of which one is more likely to penetrate body armor. And I've seen first hand what .30-06 and other rounds do to game animals
Posted by: Silentbrick   2019-12-11 14:12  

#10  Anything Scary-Looking will be considered high powered. Just as they are considered Assault Weapons.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2019-12-11 13:53  

#9  Ever seen somebody shot by M-16, Brick?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2019-12-11 13:30  

#8  If they used AR-15's, they aren't high powered. Nothing more than suped up .22's. AR-10's and other mid size and up calibers might be worthy of high powered. Much rather be shot by AR-15 than .30-06 or 7.62x51mm.
Posted by: Silentbrick   2019-12-11 13:22  

#7  Jersey City has tough gun laws I think ? Two crazy black terrorists just killed a 9mm and taser wielding cop and unarmed civs with hi-power ARs there.
Posted by: Dron66046   2019-12-11 12:54  

#6  felony to own an ar15.
felons can't own guns.
therfore - ar15's are confiscated.

Its all just good common sense.
/sarc
Posted by: flash91   2019-12-11 11:29  

#5   You all will be criminals.

Sorry, Bob. This is your 3rd parking ticket. Under the Red Flag law, anyone showing a lack of personal judgement and/or posing a danger to the citizens of the commonwealth or their property shall not be permitted to posses firearms. So hand 'em over!
Posted by: SteveS   2019-12-11 11:19  

#4  Take your registration and shove it.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2019-12-11 11:09  

#3  Until next time.....
Posted by: Mullah Richard   2019-12-11 11:03  

#2  Instead, they will include a provision to allow Virginians to keep the firearms they already own.

Still shutting off future access to members of the unorganized militia (IAW Title X)
Posted by: Procopius2k   2019-12-11 10:02  

#1  Third Manassas averted.
Posted by: Lex   2019-12-11 09:48  

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