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| Chicom Nightmare: Hong Kong protests spread to gigantic Guangdong province |
| 2019-12-04 |
| h/t Instapundit [AmericanThinker] The Chicoms have a problem. Seems the Hong Kong protests they are so desperate to tamp down have started to ignite elsewhere, deep into China's cities. Here's one the Chicoms really didn't want: Protesters in southern Guangdong province, China, took to the streets last week to demand the communist government not build a polluting crematorium near their town, adopting slogans common to the Hong Kong protest movement, Time magazine noted on Monday. The Hong Kong newspaper Apple Daily, which openly supports the anti-communist movement, reported the use of slogans such as "revolution of our times," which China considers seditious hate speech, and "just like you, Hong Kong!" in Guangdong. As China heavily censors coverage of the Hong Kong protests and bans all statements of support from the few permitted social media sites in the country, the adoption of the Hong Kong movement's slogans and tactics is a sign that people within Communist China are informing themselves regarding the protests through unapproved means. |
| Posted by:g(r)omgoru |
| #13 C'mon, why you all dumping on Herb's love of tyrants? |
| Posted by: Rob Crawford 2019-12-04 21:52 |
| #12 Protesters in southern Guangdong province, China, took to the streets last week to demand the communist government not build a polluting crematorium near their town, adopting slogans common to the Hong Kong protest movement, That suggests there are communication channels beyond official state media. Back in the Soviet era, there was a Russian word "samizdat", meaning self-published. It referred to printed material, typed or mimeographed that was passed from person to person. Nowadays, you could pass around flash drives. Not all news comes over official media channels. |
| Posted by: SteveS 2019-12-04 20:25 |
| #11 *Facepalm* Of course *we're* hearing about it. Duh. It's the Chinese who won't hear about the protests. Thus they won't spread. I thought this went without saying, but I guess not. Given that the successful peasant revolt that put the Han dynasty in power for 400 years relied not at all on modern communications, it's not a given that this won't spread. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2019-12-04 20:06 |
| #10 *Facepalm* Of course *we're* hearing about it. Duh. It's the Chinese who won't hear about the protests. Thus they won't spread. I thought this went without saying, but I guess not. |
| Posted by: Herb McCoy 2019-12-04 19:39 |
| #9 Given that most Chinese dynasties collapse due to the destructive aspect of corruption, Xi should be concerned. Actually, that's the way it's portrayed in Chinese historical accounts, which are written as homilies/parables for future rulers. In reality, it's really the same reason that all other regime changes occur - power struggles among elites or, uniquely in China's case, armed revolution from below. The Han, Ming and (current) Red dynasties are all the fruit of peasant revolts. Since the establishment of a unitary continental-sized state in Northeast Asia by the First Emperor 2200 years ago, roughly 1/3 of its duration has been under the rule of these three regimes. It would be as if one of the Servile Wars had established a commoner as Emperor whose progeny ruled Rome for 1/3 of its existence. There was no comparable phenomenon in Europe for most of its history, until the French Revolution. And the three Chinese dynasties mentioned were only the first place winners. There were multiple first runner-ups, peasant rebels all, that came within a whisker of the throne. Such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Bei Liu Bei, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Zicheng Li Zicheng and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan Hong Xiuquan. And these aren't even the full extent of the roster, and that's not even counting the honorable mentions. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2019-12-04 19:16 |
| #8 Given that most Chinese dynasties collapse due to the destructive aspect of corruption, Xi should be concerned. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2019-12-04 12:03 |
| #7 Supply chains and rice bowls will have to diversify to other countries after tariffs, and now, Hong Kong getting smashed |
| Posted by: Frank G 2019-12-04 10:30 |
| #6 Whatever else may be said of Xi, he's ruthless, cunning, etc, he certainly isn't very quick on the uptake. |
| Posted by: Cesare 2019-12-04 10:02 |
| #5 Uh, but we *are* hearing about it. |
| Posted by: SteveS 2019-12-04 09:43 |
| #4 Thanks for the insight Lebron McCoy. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2019-12-04 08:58 |
| #3 Don't get excited. It's local. Careful what you say Erb. |
| Posted by: Skidmark 2019-12-04 07:31 |
| #2 Eh, this kind of thing happens all the time in China. Don't get excited. It's local. China has a Google-like control of information. If they don't like it, it doesn't exist. |
| Posted by: Herb McCoy 2019-12-04 05:06 |
| #1 A bit of predictive analysis presented here some weeks ago. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2019-12-04 03:22 |