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American diplomats in Cuba may have been exposed to pesticides, not 'sonic weapons'
2019-09-22
[LI] Legal Insurrection readers may recall that in 2017, after several American diplomats developed odd neurological problems that were theorized to be caused by sonic attacks, President Donald Trump ordered all non-essential personnel out of Cuba, then sent 15 Cuban diplomats packing.

Subsequently, in May of 2018, American diplomats in China developed similar symptoms.

Now, a new study proposes that the affected employees may have been exposed to a pesticide that caused their health effects.
The mysterious high-pitched buzzing sound associated with the so-called "sonic attacks" on nearly 40 U.S. and Canadian diplomats living in Cuba may have been caused by a neurotoxic agent used to kill mosquitoes, a new study commissioned by the Canadian government claims.

...There have been various theories floated ‐ everything from crickets to microwave weapons ‐ as to the cause of the headaches, dizziness and other concussion-like symptoms.

Global Affairs Canada commissioned a clinical study to get to the bottom of the case.

"The working hypothesis actually came only after we had most of the results," Alon Friedman, the study’s lead author, told Canada’s CBC News.

The suite of symptoms was described as the "Havana syndrome" and included headaches, blurred vision, dizziness, shriveling nuts which soon fell off, and tinnitus.
Canadian diplomats were affected by similar reactions to US counterparts ‐ though the study noted that the symptoms of the Canadians were more gradual than the "acute, directional... auditory stimulus" in some of the US cases.

The study notes that tests carried out on 28 participants ‐ seven of whom were tested both before and after being posted to Havana ‐ support a diagnosis of brain injury acquired by diplomats and their families while in Cuba.

The patterns of brain injury "all raise the hypothesis of recurrent, low-dose exposure to neurotoxins", the report said.

Specifically, the results were "highly suggestive" of something called cholinesterase inhibitor intoxication.

Cholinesterase is an important enzyme in the human nervous system, and blocking it through an inhibitor can lead to death. The chemical weapon, Sarin, is an example of a potent cholinesterase inhibitor, as is VX, which was used in the killing of Kim Jong-nam, the half-brother of North Korea’s leader.

But the low, consistent doses the researchers believe were delivered are consistent with exposure to commercial pesticides, the study’s authors said.

The timing is suggestive: The Cubans had stepped-up their fumigation efforts in the wake of the Zika outbreak.
Some pesticides work by inhibiting cholinesterase, the report said, and during the 2016-2018 period when diplomats became ill normal fumigation in Cuba was stepped up due to the Zika epidemic in the Caribbean.

The report said the diplomats’ illnesses coincided with increased fumigation in and around residences where they lived. One of the authors of the study, the professor Alon Friedman, clarified in an email to Reuters that both Canadian and Cuban authorities were fumigating.
Posted by:Besoeker

#22  You don't think every one at the Embassy was a volunteer, Deep Stater who salivated to be the first in the Havana station? Reminds me of the old adage - Be careful what you wish for.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2019-09-22 18:38  

#21  I’m on Herb’s side on this - don’t trust US government (even a a Trump government) anywhere out of my sight - nor ANY large organization.
Posted by: Glenmore    2019-09-22 18:18  

#20  They blamed TEH ROOSHINS because during the Cold War the Soviets had worked on microwave weapons. Did we forget this? It was only about a year ago and it was all over the place.

I can't even figure out what #17 is trying to say.
Posted by: Herb McCoy   2019-09-22 15:30  

#19  And the fact that a guy like Vladimir Putin would resort to the use of polonium is not distressing?
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2019-09-22 15:28  

#18  Too lazy to go look for the link, but the other day there was a story about the ChiComs working on a sonic crowd control device.
Posted by: SteveS   2019-09-22 15:27  

#17  So it was all that no-good neo-con Donald Trump's fault? That bad, bad, bad Donald Trump? Just like Russian collusion, Jussie Smollet, the Covington kids and Charlottesville? No chance at all that decades old, hard-core enemies of America had anything to do with it?
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2019-09-22 15:24  

#16  Meh... you just wanna point fingers. How can anyone agree or argue if you don't regale us with this 'super sekret' tech first ?

It's like an 'Aliens raped me !' story. Why, and most importantly, how ?
Posted by: Dron66046   2019-09-22 15:24  

#15  Nobody blamed the Rooshins, you fool. We blamed the Cubans. It also happened in China, which makes your comments *blow apart*.

PFFFT
Posted by: Frank G   2019-09-22 15:18  

#14  I'm not a "troll". Troll used to have a meaning, and now it's "person I disagree with but can't formulate any coherent arguments against, so I'm going to call him a name and that settles it."

This has been a feature of the Left since Trump was elected. It's distressing to see it break out on Rantburg as well.

So the Chinese were spraying for mosquitoes too? Or is it that the super sekret anti-surveillance device was deployed there, too? Hmm, which explanation is the least complicated?

It's just that they were so fast to blame TEH ROOSHINS for Cuba. This screams confirmation bias.

You're right, I don't have any proof. And if I displayed any, you'd all be on the line to turn me in for possessing classified information. It's the Kobiyashi Maru, the no-win situation.
Posted by: Herb McCoy   2019-09-22 15:11  

#13  What produces similar phenomena?

The alteration of spontaneous low frequency oscillations caused by acute electromagnetic fields exposure.

Chinese earbuds.

I'm surprised Erb's keepers make him work weekends.
Posted by: Skidmark   2019-09-22 12:58  

#12  Show of hands, who trusts the US government any farther than you can throw it?

For the record, I don't trust *any* large hierarchical organization. But I'm torn between a) pointing out that this is not evidence of anything and b) the general principle of "Don't feed the troll".

OK, after a calming sip of coffee, I'm going with b). One of the things I cherish about Rantburg is the high quality of both the snark and the discussion. In far too many places, "debate" consists of two sides endlessly trading talking points and insults. Ain't gonna add to it.
Posted by: SteveS   2019-09-22 12:18  

#11  Due to non-permissive northerly prevailing winds, perhaps the fogger was situation directly on the US Embassy compound, or piped directly into the AC system. Skeeter chlorination, etc. Anti-vaxer alert within the hour.

Please investigate that pesky noise. It could a telephone....Morgan & Morgan, who knows.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-09-22 11:34  

#10  Okay, Herb. So what device ? You don't have a theory except for just imagined intent. What produces similar phenomena ?
Posted by: Dron66046   2019-09-22 11:19  

#9  No media reporting of an uptick in Zika among US Foreign Service personal. An upside, or a downside. You must decide.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-09-22 11:18  

#8  Mil-Industrial NeoCon Warmongers everywhere nod
Posted by: Frank G   2019-09-22 11:04  

#7  Calling people names isn't an argument.
Posted by: Herb McCoy    2019-09-22 10:59  

#6  and the troll appears, like MAGIC
Posted by: Frank G   2019-09-22 10:19  

#5  This is the cover story. The condition was likely caused by a defensive anti surveillance device. They were so quick to blame TEH ROOSHINS.

Didn't this happen in another embassy as well? It would explain the issue. You think they're going to admit it in public?

By the way, name calling and insults aren't arguments. Show of hands, who trusts the US government any farther than you can throw it?
Posted by: Herb McCoy    2019-09-22 10:00  

#4  It should be useful to know if some of the affected diplomats were taking Alzheimer's, Parkinson's or schizophrenia medication. Since moderate acetylcholinesterase inhibitors are used in those meds (like donepezil hydrochloride), even a low dose fumigation of pesticides near someone under medication could maybe lead to that.

That an entire contingent of diplomats would be actually senile or loony and didn't tell the medics is not my assertion though. Just that it's... possible. Was everyone affected or just some people ?
Posted by: Dron66046   2019-09-22 08:41  

#3  Dr. Seuss's "Mental Insecticide" (linked solely for visual; edit "bug" bubble to taste)
Posted by: Snunter Crens7012   2019-09-22 07:51  

#2  ^ Heh
Posted by: Frank G   2019-09-22 06:34  

#1  I'm awaiting our usual source and his 'government controlled experiment' post and theory.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-09-22 05:45  

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