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Air Force F-35s absolutely wrecked their enemies during a mock air combat exercise, officials say
2019-02-22
[TaskandPurpose] The U.S. Air Force put the F-35 up against "the most advanced weapons systems out there" during the recent Red Flag air combat exercise, and the fifth-generation stealth fighters apparently dominated ‐ so much so that even the rookie pilots were crushing it.

Pilots from the 388th Fighter Wing's 4th Fighter Squadron took to the skies in upgraded F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters, integrating into a "Blue Force" consisting of fifth and fourth-generation fighters for a "counter air" mission against a "Red Force" made up of "equally capable" fighters.

During the intense exercise, aggressor aircraft blinded many of the "blue" fourth-generation aircraft using electronic attack capabilities, such as those advanced adversaries might employ in battle. "Even in this extremely challenging environment, the F-35 didn't have many difficulties doing its job," Col. Joshua Wood, 388th Operations Group commander, explained in a U.S. Air Force statement summarizing the exercise results.

Novice F-35 pilots were able to step in and save more experienced friendly fourth-generation fighter pilots while racking up kills.

"My wingman was a brand new F-35A pilot, seven or eight flights out of training," Wood said, recounting his experiences. "He gets on the radio and tells an experienced 3,000-hour pilot in a very capable fourth-generation aircraft. 'Hey bud, you need to turn around. You're about to die. There's a threat off your nose.'"

That young pilot took out the enemy aircraft and then went on to pick up three more "kills" during the mission, which lasted for an hour. "I've never seen anything like it before," Wood added.

The latest iteration of Red Flag ‐ a multinational exercise aimed at training pilots to defeat enemy aircraft, integrated air-defense systems, and electronic and information warfare tactics ‐ was said to be "exponentially more challenging" than past drills, as they were specifically intended to simulate real combat against a more serious threat like Russia or China. The pilots waged simulated war in contested environments characterized by electronic attack, communications jamming, and GPS denial.

"Those situations highlight the fifth-generation capabilities of the F-35. We're still able to operate and be successful," Lt. Col. Yosef Morris, the 4th Fighter Squadron commander, said in a US Air Force statement.

The F-35A participated in Red Flag, the service's top air combat exercise, for the first time two years ago. At that time, the powerful stealth aircraft was only at its initial operating capability, yet it still destroyed the opposition with a 20:1 kill ratio.

This year, pilots were flying F-35s with upgrades offering improved combat capabilities and maneuverability, making the aircraft more lethal in air combat. The Block 3F software upgrades brought the aircraft up to full warfighting capability.

The F-35A is "exceeding our expectations when it comes to not only being able to survive, but to prosecute targets," Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Dave Goldfein said Tuesday, according to Air Force Times.

The F-35A, an embattled aircraft still overcoming development challenges, is expected to eventually replace the aging fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons and A-10 Thunderbolt II ground attack aircraft.
This is the 4th or 5th independent story I have seen over the last year talking about the sensor suite on the F-35. Apparently it is even better than anything the F-22 has and can feed info to 4th generation planes so they can kill what they can't see with their missiles.

Despite the major fuck ups getting this thing in the air it seems to really be doing what it was designed to do. Of course an actual war will be the final exam.
Posted by:DarthVader

#8  The F-35 did have the controls pooched a bit during the first dogfights as the engineers didn't have the flight controls de-buged fully. So artificial restraints were put on it.

Now they don't have that restrictions. I haven't heard how they do in a knife fight, but I think the F-35 would do at least as well as the F-22. That is if the enemy even gets close enough to get into a knife fight.
Posted by: DarthVader   2019-02-22 23:53  

#7  David Axe got the scoop.

David Axe is the poop. It's click bait. Lightning protection was added several years ago. Part of development. He's recycling 5 year old stories. Is that the journalistic version of being Green or Red?

the F-16 could outmaneuver the F-35

Not even close. That was not a dogfight. It was an early flight controls test to test nose pointing on the edge of the F-35 flight envelope (i.e. near stall). Modified the flight control parameters for better performance near stall.

Take a look at some the F-35 flight videos. The F-35 flies (inside) circles around the F-16.
Posted by: Whavitle Omaling6026   2019-02-22 19:43  

#6  Problem for the F-16 and other is that, you have to live long enough to get into dogfight range.

My only issue is "replacing" the A-10. Its a purpose build ground attack aircraft. It can do things an F35 cannot - and since the F-35 will be multirole, it will have other duties, and the Airforce has priorities they like a lot better than ground attack. Things like deep interdiction, SEAD, Air Superiority. Those will always take priority for advanced aircraft over loiter-and-support missions.

The A-10 will always be ground support/attack. Send all the A-10s to Ft Rucker. Give the A-10s to the Army and Marines - guard and reserve units. Let them take the direct support role and free up the USAF airdales to do their things, while Army and Marine pilots support their own.
Posted by: Vespasian Unairt7733   2019-02-22 18:12  

#5   It can’t even fly within twenty-five miles of a thunderstorm because they had to remove lightning protection to save on weight–a requirement for the Marines so they could take off and land vertically in the F-35B.

Why do they say this if an F-35 carrying no external weapons can’t out perform an F-16D loaded with heavy fuel pylons?


David Axe got the scoop. Basically, the F-35 test pilot said the F-16 could outmaneuver the F-35 in most cases during a close engagement, or what most people would call a dogfight.
Posted by: Woodrow   2019-02-22 17:53  

#4  Hooray for us!
Posted by: Almost Anonymous5839   2019-02-22 14:11  

#3  It is stories from the pilot that fly it and have flown against it that I trust. They are the ones who's asses are on the line.

The sensor suite is the most impressive feature and the fact it can share with other aircraft in real time.
Posted by: DarthVader   2019-02-22 12:43  

#2  Israel has been flying their version, which they have been optimizing for their own needs, so no doubt information is coming back about that, too.
Posted by: trailing wife   2019-02-22 12:12  

#1  ...also depends upon who's writing the story. We are now in a low trust society.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2019-02-22 11:13  

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