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Home Front: Politix
The Threat Democratic Socialism Threatens Minorities
2018-08-10
[Atlantic] Last week, the leftist magazine Jacobin published an article arguing that "the spectacular rehabilitation of socialism as a legitimate position within American politics, particularly among young people, is one of the most significant developments for the socialist movement in decades." I maintain that those young people aren’t being told the whole story.

When I first responded last week, my focus was a passage the authors intended as an acknowledgement that what they call "socialism from above" is dangerous.

They wrote:
Socialists don’t just want to replace private ownership with state ownership. In the same way we don’t believe that capitalists should be able to have disproportionate control over economic resources, we don’t think unaccountable state officials and bureaucrats should have the power to control investment and production through ’socialism from above.’ In some cases, like the former Soviet Union, the failings of such a system are nearly as deep as those of capitalism itself."
I inveighed against the notion that the Soviet economic system, with its many epidemics of mass starvation and death, was less flawed than market capitalism. Upon reflection, the authors changed their article to better reflect their actual belief: that "in some cases, like the former Soviet Union, the failings of such a system are as clear as those of capitalism."
Posted by:Besoeker

#12  It's not about facts. It's all about the Feelz now. And Persuasion.
Posted by: SteveS   2018-08-10 21:37  

#11  "But-but-but the Socialists Care! And Big Business is Evil-Evil-Evil!" That's about the level of the responses I have gotten no matter the argument or facts given.... *Sigh*
Posted by: magpie   2018-08-10 21:29  

#10  
#8 Good, it’s true. But what would be a more persuasive argument that is also true?


My point exactly.
Posted by: charger   2018-08-10 16:26  

#9  How about concentrating on core constituency?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2018-08-10 16:18  

#8  Good, it’s true. But what would be a more persuasive argument that is also true?
Posted by: trailing wife   2018-08-10 14:51  

#7  So, Charger, we should lie? Do you think that helps? *meh*
Posted by: Frank G   2018-08-10 14:26  

#6  Because it isn't a tactic, charger - it's the Truth!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2018-08-10 14:10  

#5  I reierate: Fridersdorf is doing the "Dems are the real racists" shtick that hasn't made a dent...ever.

How is it "living in the real world" to repeatedly use a tactic that's been a demonstrable failure in all that time?

What was Einstein's famous definition of insanity again?
Posted by: charger   2018-08-10 14:04  

#4  Is this about congratulating ourselves on how right we are, or is it about getting results?

It's about living in the real, and not a fantasy, world. As regards the results: Trump got the working class, and to hell with the "credentialed" who will stick with Democrats to keep their phony-baloney jobs.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2018-08-10 13:42  

#3  My point is that it hasn't done any good in persuading its target audience.

Is this about congratulating ourselves on how right we are, or is it about getting results?
Posted by: charger   2018-08-10 13:24  

#2  People on the right have been using variations of this argument for decades now.

Because it's a fact?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2018-08-10 13:18  

#1  So, "Democratic Socialists are teh real racists!"?

People on the right have been using variations of this argument for decades now. Has it actually accomplished anything? The sad reality is that a large number (majority?) of minorities will be happy to take whatever Free Shit is on offer and if costs white taxpayers in the bargain, than so much the better.

No surprise that this is a Conor Friedersdorf article.
Posted by: charger   2018-08-10 12:45  

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