Yes, damn sure is.
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| Hillary, Trump, and War with Russia: The Stupidist Idea I Have Ever Heard |
| 2016-08-12 |
| [Fred on Everything] Don't look for a walk-over. The T14 Armata, Russia's latest tank. You don't want to fight this monster if you can think of a better idea, such as not fighting it. Russia once made large numbers of second-rate tanks. That worm has turned. This thing is way advanced and outguns the American M1A2, having a 125mm smoothbore firing APFSDS long-rods to the Abrams 120mm. (As Hillary would know, that's Armor-piercing, fin-stabilized, discarding-sabot. You did know, didn't you, Hill?) This isn't the place for a disquisition on armor, but the above beast is an ver advanced design with unmanned turret and, well, a T34 it isn't. A good reason to vote for Trump, a very good reason whatever his other intentions, is that he does not want a war with Russia. Hillary and her elite ventriloquists threaten just that. Note the anti-Russian hysteria coming from her and her remoras. Such a war would be yet another example of the utter control of America by rich insiders. No normal American has anything at all to gain by such a war. And no normal American has the slightest influence over whether such a war takes place, except by voting for Trump. The military has become entirely the plaything of unaccountable elites. A martial principle of great wisdom says that military stupidity comes in three grades: Ordinarily stupid; really, really, really stupid; and fighting Russia. Think Charles XII at Poltava, Napoleon after Borodino, Adolf and Kursk. Letting dilettantes, grifters, con men, pasty Neocons, bottle-blonde ruins, and corporations decide on war is insane. We have pseudo-masculine dwarves playing with things they do not understand. So far as I am aware, none of these fern-bar Clausewitzes has worn boots, been in a war, seen a war, or faces any chance of being in a war started by themselves. They brought us Iraq, Afghanistan, and Isis, and can’t win wars against goatherds with AKs. They are going to fight...Russia? A point that the tofu ferocities of New York might bear in mind is that wars seldom turn out as expected, usually with godawful results. We do not know what would happen in a war with Russia. Permit me a tedious catalog to make this point. It is very worth making. When Washington pushed the South into the Civil War, it expected a conflict that might be over in twenty-four hours, not four years with as least 650,000 dead. When Germany began WWI, it expected a swift lunge into Paris, not four years of hideously bloody static war followed by unconditional surrender. When the Japanese Army pushed for attacking Pearl, it did not foresee GIs marching in Tokyo and a couple of cities glowing at night. When Hitler invaded Poland, utter defeat and occupation of Germany was not among his war aims. When the US invaded Vietnam, it did not expect to be outfought and outsmarted by a bush-world country. When Russia invaded Afghanistan it did not expect...nor when America invaded Afghanistan, nor when it attacked Iraq, nor.... Is there a pattern here? |
| Posted by:Besoeker |
| #17 I've been saying for a while, military confrontation and the risk of war with Russia is madness. Russia isn't our enemy. Ukraine has never been a real country in anything like it's current borders. You want a real enemy, try China. They will keep pushing in the North and South China Sea until a shooting war starts. Fortunately, I see indications Putin knows China isn't his friend. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2016-08-12 20:05 |
| #16 Kim and Charlie got their licks in, but those fights were lost by the politicians, as well as the other conflicts listed. First Step Fifth Phase in May 1951 was an absolute disaster for the Chinese and Norks. 65,000 lost at the May Massacre at No Name Line. However, the beginning of hostilities is a good lesson on what happens if infantry cannot knock out tanks. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2016-08-12 19:12 |
| #15 Not about Jews either, btw. And why is that, my little strudel? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2016-08-12 17:19 |
| #14 As a young man I stood guard side by side with US troops. And you gromguru, with your love for Putin, are not the guy to lecture me. Not about Jews either, btw. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2016-08-12 16:56 |
| #13 Brexit, reborn Russia, possible "America first" POTUS, rapefugees. Even the Juden are getting antsy . Sure sucks to be an EUropean. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2016-08-12 16:30 |
| #12 Yes, damn sure is. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2016-08-12 16:21 |
| #11 I don't see anyone advocating a war with Russia, Not exactly advocating, but over here (US) we are getting a pretty steady drumbeat about the danger from Russian expansionism. Frankly, I don't see it but we keep getting stories on how long it would take the Russians to steamroll their way thru the Baltic states, or the latest ruskii super-weapon. Got to keep NATO relevant, I guess. Rather amusing since in the last Presidential debates, Obama slapped Romney down for bringing up the Russians. Anyone for a scenic drive thru the Fulda Gap? |
| Posted by: SteveS 2016-08-12 16:13 |
| #10 I don't see anyone advocating a war with Russia, but the argument that you can't face a Russian aggression, so we have to make up nice, is Munich all over again. If the Russians build such great tanks, we need to build better ones. The Baltic countries are NATO members. If they are attacked, will NATO defend them? If not, let's forget the whole thing. I don't like Hillary. But Trump is incompetent. It's a real shame that America can't do better in politics. In sports America obviously can. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2016-08-12 15:47 |
| #9 It's a good read, Bobby. Hitler was probing the allies to see how they would react and it was appeasement, big time. It was one of the most expensive lost moments in history. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2016-08-12 14:54 |
| #8 I'm 150 pages into Churchill's The Second World War, and see some similarities to the current world events. My take-away so far is that it would've a lot easier to stop Hitler in 1935 than 1943 (Duh!) but that everyone kept hoping to avoid another catastrophe, like WW I. I knew that in a grand sense, but Winnie makes a compelling case in some detail in the book. |
| Posted by: Bobby 2016-08-12 14:06 |
| #7 Face it, folks, we haven't won a war since WWII and then we had the Russians on our side. Korea was a draw at best, Vietnam was a bitter humiliation, Kuwait led to 911, Iraq is a mess, Afghanistan is a mess. OK, there was Granada. We keep poking our noses into the business of other people all over the planet and we keep getting our nose bloodied. The results are always tragic. War should always be the absolute last resort. You'd think we'd learn. |
| Posted by: Abu Uluque 2016-08-12 11:22 |
| #6 Normally I would be against appeasement, but to EC, I would have to say, y'all have done as much to fund the Armata (which I think is overblown) as anyone. It's y'all's modern day Molotov Ribbentrop pact. Gazprom. Try fracking. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2016-08-12 11:22 |
| #5 I'm sorry but that's a posting I simply don't understand. You don't remember what happened the last time you had a war with Russia? |
| Posted by: Abu Uluque 2016-08-12 11:15 |
| #4 Some good thoughts about the controlling desires of the oligarchy, but, there is a fair amount of ahistorical reasoning and no understanding of the complexity of the world diplomatic environment. Sounds like he'd have been a fan of Neville Chamberlin's reasoning. |
| Posted by: AlanC 2016-08-12 09:13 |
| #3 When Washington pushed the South into the Civil War, Now there's revisionist history. Lincoln had no political or military plans in dealing with the southern states voting to succeed. Everyone was groping in the dark about the next step. Something about Southerners firing on a federal fort kicked it off. The Japanese would make the same mistake about 80 years later. Similar results. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2016-08-12 06:59 |
| #2 That's your problem. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2016-08-12 06:18 |
| #1 I'm sorry but that's a posting I simply don't understand. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2016-08-12 05:47 |