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Loser Pope takes on Donald Trump, suffers massive humiliation, slinks off to {walled} Vatican
2016-02-19
Donald Trump has somehow managed to bait His Holiness into a public fight:
Sorry, gotta disagree. The Pope stepped into that one all by his politically gullible self.
Hours after praying for Mexican migrants who died trying to reach the United States, Pope Francis singled out Donald Trump, telling reporters aboard the papal plane that anybody who wants to build border walls "is not Christian."

"A person who thinks only about building walls -- wherever they may be -- and not building bridges, is not Christian," Francis said Thursday, according to a translation from the Associated Press. "This is not in the Gospel."

He added: "I'd just say that this man is not Christian if he said it this way."
Christianity is not a religion of suicide. You have to expand the system under consideration until it is large enough to include all the causes and effects. Has the Pope considered Mexico's laws regarding illegal immigration and foreign workers vs. America's? Crime? America's already generous welfare and immigration laws? SUSTAINABILITY? What would happen if the US was reduced to only being able to take care of its own? The hypocrisy of the Vatican's immigration laws and protective wall when compared to this situation? Jesus could turn water into wine and make fish appear out of thin air. We can't. There's no asking WWJD here.
According to ABC News, the Pope's criticism of Trump was prompted by a reporter who asked: "Can a good Catholic vote for this man?" ABC's account notes that the Pope demurred on that aspect of the question, by saying:

"About whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt."

You'll be shocked to hear that this restraint did not cause Trump to temper his response in the slightest. Trump's statement is worth quoting in full:

If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS's ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened. ISIS would have been eradicated unlike what is happening now with our all talk, no action politicians.

The Mexican government and its leadership has made many disparaging remarks about me to the Pope, because they want to continue to rip off the United States, both on trade and at the border, and they understand I am totally wise to them. The Pope only heard one side of the story -- he didn't see the crime, the drug trafficking and the negative economic impact the current policies have on the United States. He doesn't see how Mexican leadership is outsmarting President Obama and our leadership in every aspect of negotiation.

For a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. I am proud to be a Christian and as President I will not allow Christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened, unlike what is happening now, with our current President. No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man's religion or faith. They are using the Pope as a pawn and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so, especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant.

Let's pause for a moment of silence to marvel at the degree to which Trump managed to stay on his core message here. Remember, the story that Trump has been telling for at least six months now has not changed. Our elites are failing you, because they are allowing you to be cheated by a whole cast of villains -- illegals, multinational corporations, other countries (usually China, but more recently, Mexico, which Trump now says is "the new China") -- whether through stupidity, corruption, weakness, or some combination of the above.

In his response to the Pope, Trump hit every one of these buttons: Mexico wants to continue to "rip off" America; our stupid leaders continue to allow it to happen because they are getting "outsmarted"; Trump would not, because he is "wise" to the scam; and so, "they" (Trump's word) have now enlisted the Pope "as a pawn" in keeping the scam going.

The only slight tweak to Trump's storyline on display here is that he merely said the Pope was an unwitting victim of this scam, rather than suggesting that he is one of the elites who is actively complicit in it, either through corruption or weakness or stupidity (though arguably Trump did hint at the possibility of the latter two).
I've never seen Donald read from a script before. He did when responding to a reporter's question about the Pope.
Oh, and for good measure, in his reply to the Pope, Trump also managed to reiterate his oft-repeated vow to Make Christianity Great Again.

Not even the Pope can knock Donald Trump off message.
Posted by:gorb

#6  #4 for those who do not know -

Article 27 of the Mexican Constitution -

The property of all land and water within national territory is originally owned by the Nation, who has the right to transfer this ownership to particulars. Hence, private property is a privilege created by the Nation.

Expropriations may only be made when there is a public utility cause.

The State will always have the right to impose on private property constraints dictated by "public interest". The State will also regulate the exploitation of natural resources based on social benefits and the equal distribution of wealth. The state is also responsible for conservation and ecological considerations.

All natural resources in national territory are property of the nation, and private exploitation may only be carried out through concessions.

Nuclear fuel may only be exploited and used by the State. The use of Nuclear elements in the Nation may only have peaceful purposes (i.e., Mexico cannot build nuclear weapons).

This article also deals with other subtleties on what constitutes Mexico's territory.

Foreign nationals cannot own land within 100 km of the borders or 50 km of the coast; however, foreigners can have a beneficial interest in such land through a trust (fideicomiso), where the legal ownership of the land is held by a Mexican financial institution. The only precondition sine qua non to granting such a beneficial interest is that the foreigner agree that all matters relating to such land are the exclusive domain of Mexican courts and Mexican jurisdiction, and that in all issues pertaining to such land, the foreigner will conduct him or herself as a Mexican, and settle any issues arising from their interest in such land exclusively through Mexican courts and institutions. The stipulated consequence of a failure to abide by these terms is forfeiture to the nation of their interests in all lands where the foreigner has such beneficial interests.

That an area of land at the coast (20 meters from the highest tide line) is federal property which cannot be sold.


D'em fools on HGTV thinking they're buying land on the coast (till some local judge decides to nullify their fideicomiso).
Posted by: Procopius2k   2016-02-19 18:49  

#5  If trump becomes president he should tax churches to pay for the wall.
Posted by: Airandee   2016-02-19 13:47  

#4  Oh, and you know what would be really cool? If I could buy a place on the beach in Baja California and live with all the rights, security and amenities that I enjoy here in the United States? Not gonna happen? whimper
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2016-02-19 13:46  

#3  The walls around Vatican City are about thirty feet high and made of stone. You want to immigrate to the Vatican? See if it is even possible. Just go check. You don't have a life span long enough to even climb the stacked paper work . Provided you can even get to see the pile.
The Pope is somewhat dim....plus he does seem to sound and act like a clueless EUroweenie. The only people who want to move to EUroweenie are Moslems. See if you can figure that out. Moslem home countries are sh*&holes. And EUroweenies are stupid. You know where that leads without even looking.
Posted by: Omolutle Spawn of the Gepids4508   2016-02-19 13:45  

#2  There's no asking WWJD here.

Jesus didn't seem to mind the Romans who invaded his country even when they crucified Him. I think he saw them all as potential converts and indeed they were because Rome eventually became the very seat of Christianity. That's where the Pope lives, surrounded by a wall of course. There is a great deal of irony in all of this. The Jews hated paying taxes to the Romans and I'm not all that crazy about my tax dollars subsidizing the lives of illegal immigrants. So maybe I'm really a Jew at heart. But Jesus told the Jews to pay their taxes. But the illegal immigrants are mostly Catholic so I don't have to convert them. All I have to do is subsidize them, let them turn the United States into a Third World country, let them smuggle narcotics into this country and let them vote for Hillary.

I have no problem with a couple of bridges across the Tijuana River, one at I-5 and the other at I-805, as long as we have lots of those nice ICE guys there to check for visas.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2016-02-19 13:39  

#1  The Pope stepped into that one all by his politically gullible self.

Trump is like the tar baby. People can't resist taking a swing at him, however much they regret it later. And in all fairness to His Leftness, this pope doesn't seem to be - uh, how can I put this nicely? - quite as astute as his predecessors.
Posted by: SteveS   2016-02-19 13:15  

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