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Canada likely to drop purchase of 65 F-35 jets
2015-10-24
Canada's Prime Minister Elect Justin Trudeau vowed in September during the election campaign to open a fresh competition to replace Canada's aging fighter jets, rather than continuing with the F-35 program. Justin Trudeau has also pledged to put a stop to his country's role in bombing Islamic State targets in strife-torn Syria, where the Australian air force recently commenced operations, as well as Iraq.

The development of the F-35 has been dogged by controversy and claims it will not measure up against the latest Russian and Chinese fighter jets, although officials insist the plane is state-of-the-art.

On 16 July 2010, the Government of Canada under Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced its intention to buy 65 F-35s to replace the Canadian Forces' existing 80 CF-18s.
Buying 80 brand new F-18Fs, or the latest F-16v, would be the smarter buy for Canada. As the article notes Canada isn't spending on its military what other western countries do, per capita, and it doesn't figure to get better with Premier Skippy Trudeau. The military leaders need to conserve cash and find ways to fund the other things the Canadian military needs.
A 2014 independent report warned that the true price tag would be least C$10-billion higher for a total of C$56-billion. Under the worst-case scenario, the report by University of British Columbia academic Michael Byers predicted, the full lifetime bill for Canada's F-35 Lightning jets would hit C$126-billion – about $81-billion higher than Ottawa’s working estimate of C$45.8-billion.

The Liberal fiscal plan is to run short-term deficit of about C$10 billion for each of the first three years and then a balanced budget never by the 2019-2020 fiscal year.

Canada has an annual military budget of about C$20 billion. Canada has very little military even for a country of its economic size and population. Australia spends about A$32 billion (C$30 billion)and has 65% of the population of Canada. Canada spends less than half per capita on defense than Australia.
Posted by:Steve White

#15  Actually, let's sell the Canadians more BOMARCs.
Posted by: Shipman   2015-10-24 17:28  

#14  Yah, Ship, if only we had the company that built the Mighty F-22 build the F-35.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2015-10-24 14:40  

#13  Rantburgs favorite fighter the awesome F-22 was limited to 250 odd because of crazy cost over-runs. Let's do it again and make up up the difference by opening up the A-4 line.
Posted by: Shipman   2015-10-24 12:28  

#12  Canada will have to reduce its military spend in order to provide welfare for all its Commonwealth (and other) immigrant Muslims.
Posted by: Glenmore   2015-10-24 10:26  

#11  Pro2K; basically, one of the posters here was suggesting that the F-18 would be a better plane than the F-35. I was pointing out that the new-improved-F-18 version he was advocating was actually worse than the F-35 in all the "raw dogfighting gun-vs.-gun POWER" metrics they use to run down the F-35. (And which aren't even _true_, but were based on tests run with a plane being flown with severe engine limitations and control system limitations, which limited its turn performance compared to now, and even compared to six months before the test. But those are the lies everyone has decided to believe, y'all don't want to know the _details_).

Anyway: if y'all wanted to talk about F-18 problems the way y'all always talk about F-35 problems, real or imagined...

Here is a good rundown of the whole Super Hornet stores separation problem at someone's weblog.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2015-10-24 09:48  

#10  Buying 80 brand new F-18Fs, or the latest F-16v

I sure hope so. $10 billion 2020 for the US and another $10 billion 10 years later when the Canadians realize just how obsolete are the F-18 and F-16 (or any 4th gen fighter). The stupid should be charged twice.
Posted by: Betty Hitler2611   2015-10-24 09:31  

#9  National Strategy Question: what does Canada need a military to do?

My immediate response would be 'Arctic Defense' for commercial (OIL) ventures in harms way of over-the-top Soviet incursion. They need aircraft which have sufficient range to deliver a punishing surface-to-ship punch. Poss also to ally in defense of Greenland.
Posted by: Skidmark   2015-10-24 09:22  

#8  TFSM how does that apply to Canadian military operations?

Equipment needs to fit the mission, not the other way around of finding a mission to fit the equipment you just bought.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2015-10-24 08:47  

#7  The F-35 is scaring a lot of countries... why are we not just dropping it and building something actually capable of beating the russians?
Posted by: anon1   2015-10-24 08:38  

#6  
#1 Would rather have alot of F18s rather than this piece of shit.


the current version of the F-18 is more limited in turning than the F-35A in sustained turning and has shorter range. And has a drag problem caused by the solution to the stores problems they discovered during development.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2015-10-24 08:24  

#5  Would you rely on Obumbles to "watch your back"?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2015-10-24 06:31  

#4  National Strategy Question: what does Canada need a military to do?

Come up with a single, common spoken language for their military ?
Posted by: Besoeker   2015-10-24 06:05  

#3  National Strategy Question: what does Canada need a military to do?

You need to ask?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-10-24 05:36  

#2  National Strategy Question: what does Canada need a military to do? Are they not, like the U.S.A. in the 1800's with its love/hate dependency on the world order maintained by the British Empire, depending on the U.S. to keep things safe?

So after some revenue cutters, what next? A small military to fight forest fires and send on vanity UN Peacekeeping missions?

Prediction: Trudeau will most likely "slow walk" the new military purchase process so the money can be given to political allies. Possibly, to appease the Europhiles/Francophone allies they will make a token purchase of French Rafaels or maybe the Eurofighter.
Posted by: magpie   2015-10-24 04:29  

#1  Would rather have alot of F18s rather than this piece of shit.
Posted by: chris   2015-10-24 00:34  

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