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| Implications of the Marine Experiment with Mixed-Sex Formations on Force Size and Cost |
| 2015-09-17 |
| Over the past year the USMC has conducted experiments to measure the impact of mixed-sex formations in three dimensions: Combat Effectiveness, Health and Welfare, and Talent Management. This work was done by examining both the ability of male and female Marine volunteers in Infantry, Field Artillery, and Tank and AAV Military Operational Specialties (MOS) to complete training for individual tasks and perform collective tasks appropriate to their MOS. To examine the ability of Marines to complete individual tasks they sent the volunteers through the usual course of instruction and measured successful completion of the training. The summary of individual completion of training reported was: • Infantry Officer Course graduation rate between May 12 – Apr 15: |
| Posted by:rammer |
| #18 #16 (i) is well documented. (ii) I have from personal knowledge. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2015-09-17 17:14 |
| #17 Show me one NYT or CNN reporter with an ounce of integrity. The Grey Lady's journalists do write beautifully, though, Sven the pelter. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2015-09-17 17:06 |
| #16 Gromgoru. Do you take _anything said by Stalin's Soviet Union at face value? |
| Posted by: JFM 2015-09-17 16:31 |
| #15 On the other hand, besoeker, Soviets used females as snipers, IDF uses females to opperate remotly controled machine guns---more murderous than the male. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2015-09-17 13:32 |
| #14 Al, A Washington national media insider once confided to me that a reporter (broadcast/cable/print) needs to post at least one story a day. The easiest way to get a story is to have it feed to you by insiders. If you do things like try to provide a balanced view point your sources will go else where to get their propaganda published. The national media has surrendered any integrity that they might have once had in order to have product. Face it, MSM are whores, plain and simple. Show me one NYT or CNN reporter with an ounce of integrity. |
| Posted by: Sven the pelter 2015-09-17 12:34 |
| #13 The sad thing is these political hacks KNOW this won't work, but are counting on their spin-doctoring skills to get them out of trouble. With the media's cooperation they may succeed. Al |
| Posted by: frozen al 2015-09-17 12:13 |
| #12 Right Besoeker. Just as I don't believe that being climbing the 30 meters (100 feet) of Pointe du Hoc near Omaha Beach should ever be needed for a Ranger unit. |
| Posted by: JFM 2015-09-17 10:02 |
| #11 Ref #7 ~ Changing the track on an Abrams or a tire on an MRAP, kick a door bundle, jump a MG, a mortar base plate or tube, hump ammo.....never happen. Sorry, I'm a non-believer. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2015-09-17 09:31 |
| #10 BFO You can use two males to run a stretcher. You'll need four females to do the same. Your manpower requirements just doubled (and resultant support requirements to sustain just doubled as a minimum). Same thing on ships for damage control parties. Building ships for smaller crew? Better have people who can carry and tow the materials to save the ship. You can get a wash on the big ones like CVs, but the smaller vessels won't have the manpower padding. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2015-09-17 09:21 |
| #9 When the tanks and tracs are disabled, every Marine is a rifleman (rifleperson just doesn't have the same effect). |
| Posted by: Mullah Richard 2015-09-17 08:25 |
| #8 OOps, no. It was for the artillery foarmations and it was for admission rates. Now, artillery shells are still heavier than tank shells. Israelis have female soldiers in artillery units but my guess is Israeli generals would use men instead if Israel had enough manpower. |
| Posted by: JFM 2015-09-17 07:20 |
| #7 I would add that harsh as it is, I suspect the study could have softened. For instance it tells there was parity for women as tank crews. Really? What happens when women have to change a track of an M1 Abrams? How fast they will be able to pump 120mm shells into its cannon? |
| Posted by: JFM 2015-09-17 07:14 |
| #6 SteveS. The Marines, in fact anyone with more than 10 of IQ knew that beforehand. But that study had to be made in order to make it known to those with less of 10 IQ (atht includes mosts of those who voted for Obama°. Also in the study there is more than lifting heavy weights, there is also teh question of reduced lethality (obvious but a bit less: several people in Rantburg have defended the idea of women in combat roles). If you don't kill the bad guy, it is he who will kill you, or will live to kill civilians. |
| Posted by: JFM 2015-09-17 07:11 |
| #5 The 'Cleavers' are no more, in the eyes of Hollywood and our cradle-to-grave, statist, central planning gov't. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2015-09-17 05:37 |
| #4 So the Marines spent $36 million on a study that showed men are better at lifting heavy objects, reaching things on high shelves and killing spiders. Most astonishing. But SecNav is peeved because that was the wrong answer. Maybe shoulda added breast-feeding to the required tasks. |
| Posted by: SteveS 2015-09-17 03:31 |
| #3 Look if you want females in combat units, why not have an all female one? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2015-09-17 02:48 |
| #2 And all these results mean nothing. the political hacks that will implement this farce of a policy anyway, in the vain hope of shutting up the screaming harpies from the feminazi left. When these girls get killed and dragged through the streets of shithole-stan's capital city, I hope the usual suspects driving this farce get pointed reminders from the audience in the form of tar & feathers. |
| Posted by: Nguard 2015-09-17 01:46 |
| #1 Unfortunately for the Marines + its sister services, regardless of the merits these conclusions are at serious Serious SERIOUS SERUS! ODDS wid the USDOD's own belief that there will no longer be any MAJOR = LARGE-SCALE CONVENTIONAL OR NUCLEAR WARS THRU YEAR 2050 IFF NOT THE REST OF THE CENTURY. This belief is the reason the US Govt. is shrinking the USDOD from the Cold War standard "2-to-2-1/2" Ocean or higher war startegy to a "1-to-1-1/2" Ocean or less war strategy. USDOD = "DEFENSIVE" OR "ACTIVE-DEFENCE" UNO-LED GLOBAL PEACEKEEPING = "POLICE ACTIONS/ADVISORY WARS", NOT "OFFENSIVE" OR "OFFENSIVE-DEFENSIVE" WAR-WINNING. OWG "GLOBAL TASK FORCE/NAVY" + SIMILAR. [BRAD PITT'S "WORLD WAR Z"S UNITED NATIONS 7TH FLEET here] * FYI CHINESE MILITARY FORUM, CHINESE DEFENSE FORUM > [USNI.org] OPINION: GET THE FORD CARRIERS TO THE FLEET. ASAP - never mind the already pre-determined/calculated timeline. * FREEREPUBLIC > OBAMA IGNORES CHINESE PROVOCATION IN ALASKA [AKA American] WATERS. * CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > DEFENCEWORLD.NET: US PENTAGON SETS UP INDIA-CENTRIC RAPID REACTION CELLS FOR DTTI. Personally, I'm more inclined to believe its more in case the Hard Boyz attack + destabilize India, notsomuch for DTTI, which I suspect both the Fed + USDOD expect is going to happen sooner than later??? |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2015-09-17 00:49 |