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2nd Ebola-infected nurse declared cured & released from Emory; still possible issues
2014-10-29
A second Dallas nurse undergoing treatment for Ebola was released today from Emory University Hospital after doctors said she had been cured from the deadly virus. Nurse Amber Vinson, 29, was discharged after spending the last the last two weeks in Atlanta undergoing treatment in its biocontainment unit.
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The following items were found on a continuing medical site oriented to US physicians, from an Emory Hospital spokesman, 2 weeks ago:

American healthcare workers can safely treat patients with Ebola. That's one of the lessons learned from the care of patients treated at Atlanta's Emory University Hospital, according to Bruce Ribner, MD, ... medical director of the hospital's serious communicable diseases unit.

..."This is a virus which is well controlled with standard infection control measures that every hospital in the U.S. is capable of providing," he said.

However: A patient (not Dr. Brantley nor Nancy Writebol) was airlifted to the U.S. and admitted to Emory in early September, but Ribner said patient confidentiality rules forbid him from revealing any details of the case, or even confirming whether treatment is continuing.
Does this mean there may be US Ebola patients currently being treated, but unknown to the general public and political leadership? Back in the days when quarantines were public information, patient confidentiality was minimal.
However: Dr. Ribner cautioned that until that epidemic is brought under control, more people with Ebola will appear in the developed world, including the U.S., he said, and there is "no way" a small number of select institutions, such as Emory, will be able to handle them.
I remain unconvinced that, beyond a small number of select institutions, many US hospitals can duplicate the level of care delivered at Emory, should it become necessary.
However, Dr. Ribner disclosed some unexpected obstacles encountered by Emory up until 2 weeks ago.

  • While CDC recommendations suggest that lab tests for Ebola patients can be carried out safely using standard precautions, the reality was that a spill would mean having to shut down the main lab for decontamination. There was also a concern that few lab techs would be willing to work on such samples.

    Instead of using Emory's main lab, Ribner said, the unit set up a satellite within the biocontainment unit and staffed it with volunteers from the main lab.
    What other hospitals are capable of this?
  • Outside the hospital, he said, they ran into difficulty shipping samples across town to the CDC. Such samples would be classed as Category A -- labelled as Ebola and packaged inside a rigid box with two watertight containers inside -- but even shippers certified to handle Category A specimens refused.
    How Emory got around this problem, was not discussed in the article.
  • while the CDC says wastes can be put in leak-proof containers and discarded as regulated medical waste, Emory's contractors refused to take it unless it was certified free of Ebola.

    As a result, Ribner said, the hospital had to autoclave some 350 bags of medical waste, which then filled 218 boxes, before it could be taken away.
    Again, how many US hospitals have this capability?
  • The CDC also says sanitary sewers can be used for safe disposal of fluids from patients, but the local watershed authority threatened to cut the hospital's service if that method was used. Instead the hospital disinfected patients' liquid wastes with bleach or quaternary disinfecting detergents for at least 5 minutes before flushing.
What the CDC recommends, and what other people and other organizations are willing to put up with, as we have seen, can differ greatly.
Posted by:Anguper Hupomosing9418

#9  ahh barbara i'm sorry to hear that!

it's so true whatever law gets enforced depends on the political will
Posted by: anon1   2014-10-29 23:23  

#8  I think effective quarantine laws are already on the books, anon. They're just not being enforced (it's not politically correct).

We used to quarantine people 50 years or so ago; I suspect what's changed is lack of will and PC. >:-(
Posted by: Barbara   2014-10-29 21:35  

#7  Frank G - yes Kaci is a douche. But if the Govt reacts properly by legislating so quarantines can be enforced then she will have done us all a favour as an outrider before the storm hits. as long as governments get themselves moving in the right direction that is
Posted by: anon1   2014-10-29 20:06  

#6  Kaci Hickox is a particularly arrogant obnoxious speshul snowflake. The rules and common couretsy don't apply to her
Posted by: Frank G   2014-10-29 15:43  

#5  YES shutting borders, denying visas is the right thing to do, yes, compulsory quarantine is too.

None of that means we can't also send health workers (if any are willing)

My projeections, based on the increase in WHO figures until they stopped in August, say the New Infection rates are as follows:

September:...3375
October:.....7595
November:....17,085
December:....38,440
January:.....86,495
February:....194,615
March:.......487,880
Posted by: anon1   2014-10-29 03:47  

#4  US Nobelist in medicine comes out in support of NJ governor Christie's mandatory quarantine.
Dr. Bruce Beutler is currently the Director of the Center for the Genetics of Host Defense at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas — the first U.S. city to treat an Ebola patient and also the first to watch one die from the virus. Dr. Beutler, an American medical doctor and researcher, won the Nobel Prize for Medicine and Physiology in 2011 for his work researching the cellular subsystem of the body’s overall immune system. In an exclusive interview with NJ Advance Media, Beutler reviewed Christie’s new policy of mandatory quarantine for all health care workers exposed to Ebola, and declared: “I favor it.”
“Even if someone is asymptomatic you cannot rely on people to report themselves if they get a fever,” said Dr. Beutler, adding, “You can’t just depend on the goodwill of people to confine the disease like that – even healthcare workers. They behave very irresponsibly.”
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418    2014-10-29 00:53  

#3  Maine: Lawyer for Fort Kent nurse held on Ebola fears says she won’t abide by quarantine
Attorneys for a nurse released from isolation in New Jersey after returning to the U.S. from West Africa say she will not comply with Maine health officials’ requirements that she remain under quarantine at home for 21 days.

Kaci Hickox, who treated Ebola patients in Sierra Leone and shows no symptoms of the virus, agreed to refrain from going out in public for two days, said an attorney.

Early Tuesday evening, Maine Department of Health and Human Services Commissioner Mary Mayhew noted at a hastily called news conference that the state has the authority to seek a court order to compel quarantine for individuals deemed a public health risk.

She did not address Hickox’s case directly, saying the state has not filed a court order.

Another attorney representing Hickox, New York civil rights lawyer Norman Siegel, said she would contest any potential court order requiring her quarantine at home.

“The conditions that the state of Maine is now requiring Kaci to comply with are unconstitutional and illegal and there is no justification for the state of Maine to infringe on her liberty,” he said.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418    2014-10-29 00:37  

#2  (Reuters) - Australia became the first developed country on Tuesday to shut its borders to citizens of the countries worst-hit by the West African Ebola outbreak, a move those states said stigmatized healthy people and would make it harder to fight the disease..."Anything that will dissuade foreign trained personnel from coming here to West Africa and joining us on the frontline to fight the fight would be very, very unfortunate," Anthony Banbury, head of the U.N. Ebola Emergency Response Mission (UNMEER), told Reuters in the Ghanaian capital Accra.

Liberia's President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf urged Australia to reconsider its travel ban..."We desperately need international health workers ... They are really the key to this response,” WHO spokesman Tarik Jasarevic said.

World Bank chief Jim Yong Kim said the three worst hit countries needed 5,000 overseas health workers at any one time.

"Those health workers cannot work continuously: there needs to be a rotation. So we will need many thousands of health workers over the next months to a year in order to bring this epidemic under control," he said an African Union meeting in Ethiopia. "Right now, I am very much worried where we will find those health workers."
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418    2014-10-29 00:26  

#1  great way for Emory to destroy public trust in medical establishment and the authorities

not be open and frank about the number of cases being treated

then tell people they are being paranoid, panicking, and that ebola is hard to catch - when clearly neither are true.
Posted by: anon1   2014-10-29 00:12  

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