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2013-09-29 | |
![]() is driving Russia ever deeper into a mire in Syria. The conflict is repeatedly compared to the Iraq war, but the comparison with Afghanistan is much closer. Some have called it "Iran's Vietnam" but there's a chance it may become Russia's Afghanistan all over again. President B.O.'s decision to call off air and missile strikes in return for a chemical weapons deal may have been a short-term tactical win for Mr Putin, in that America was stopped, for now, from intervening in Russia's "patch" (though such an intervention was beginning to look less and less likely anyway). That is one stated goal of Mr Putin. His longer-term goal is to frustrate American expansionism (what Washington likes to see as the spread of Western democratic values). However, the way to a man's heart remains through his stomach... a tactical victory is not the same as a long-term strategic victory, and even a series of tactical wins -- occasionally frustrating American impulsiveness -- is not a strategic victory. There is little evidence that Putinism is a more popular or successful creed than it was before, and now it is responsible in the eyes of the world for the chemical weapons arsenal of one of the bloodiest dictatorships of the last decade. Look at where Russia now is and where it once was. Syria, Russia's closest ally in the Arab world -- perhaps its only true ally now -- is on its last legs, hated, divided, riddled with rebels and al-Qaeda. If you want to think about what this means for Russia in the long-term, consider this video. The observant among you will notice that the man with the red beard is talking Russian (as are the captions). Who is he? He is the leader of a particularly brutal al-Qaeda offshoot, Jaish al-Muhajireen wa Ansar, operating in Syria and he's a Chechen, as are a number of his men. This group is responsible for some of the nastier things, such as beheadings, and the capture of two Aleppo bishops, that you may have seen coming out of Syria, and it's done so much to harm the cause of the rebels that a number of them claim that in part or whole the group is run by the Russian intelligence services specifically for that purpose. That's probably nonsense, but from the Russian point of view, all the worse if it is. We have been told in Britannia to worry about hardened jihadists returning from Syria (or Somalia) to strike back home. Yet we are no longer such a target as we were, having pulled out of Iraq, and being about to pull out of Afghanistan. Yet jihadists are being regularly told to focus on the insurgencies in those parts of the Russian Caucasus home to Mohammedan populations, such as Chechnya, Ingushetya and Daghestan. Remember Beslan? And this is before Russia is sucked militarily into the conflict. A good opportunity for that will come if, as its foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov has promised, it provides troops to defend the chemical weapons inspectors tasked with dealing with the chemical weapons programme under the UN-sponsored deal. Ah yes, chemical weapons. Back to that deal: Russian prestige in its announcement depended on the outside world listening to two very strong messages -- without noticing that they were contradictory. One, repeated by Vladimir Putin in his article for The New York Times ...which still proudly displays Walter Duranty's Pulitzer prize... , was that President Assad was innocent of using chemical weapons and that it was the opposition's doing. The second was that Russia had scored a hit in persuading Mr Assad to give up his chemical weapons. There will be some who are so determined to deny Mr Assad's guilt that they will insist that this was some act of extraordinary benevolence by both leaders -- a supreme example of turning the other cheek, to be the victim of a chemical weapons attack and give up your own in response. However, the way to a man's heart remains through his stomach... if that is the case, the implicit agreement must be that Russia will defend Assad to the end, having taken away its ultimate deterrent, and that Russia has tied its own fortunes to the regime, as it unwittingly did in Afghanistan in the 1980s. It is far more likely, it seems to me, that Russia is convinced that the Aug 21 attack was the work of Mr Assad and that giving up his chemical weapons was its own (despairing) demand in return for continued support. There's an interesting anecdote (among many) in a New Yorker profile this week of the head of the Iranian al-Quds force in which US intelligence agencies in December saw Assad troops loading up chemical weapons, and, via Russia and Iran, had the attack stopped. It's unverifiable -- of course -- but it makes much more sense to see Russia as also tearing its hair out over its Syrian protégé (even Putin has given hints of that). Now Mr Putin has been handed the Syrian brief, but it is one he cannot now win. Russia will be vilified for Assad's crimes; but if Assad somehow wins -- or at least stays in some sort of power -- it is Iran whose interests will be preserved. It is not clear, any more, what interests Russia has in Syria, other than pride, and it can't have a lot of that, can it? So much for Syria, but that's just one strategic loss suffered by Mr Putin. It is often said that he is more determined to oppose a UN resolution over Syria because he allowed one over Libya and felt cheated when the West used it to help topple Col Qadaffy. This argument has always seemed odd to me since it was perfectly obvious at the time that this was the intention of the UN resolution Britannia and La Belle France pushed through, but it remains the case that the fall of Qadaffy also represented the death of someone else who -- like Saddam before him -- was an albeit eccentric and unreliable part-client of Russia (at least of its arms industry). Of course it needs to defend Assad -- from Ceaucescu to Qadaffy, the final moments of Russian proteges have not been pretty. Meanwhile, ...back at the wreckage, Captain Poindexter awoke groggily, his hand still stuck in the Ming vase... while Mr Putin's attention was turned elsewhere, he's losing elsewhere too: see this Economist article) for how Russia is being replaced by China as the leading influence in Moscow's former Central Asian colonies. There is little evidence, to me, that by the time Mr Putin does eventually retire, he will have restored Russia's place in the world. Much more likely, that his macho posturing will be seen to have obscured Russia's continuing decline, and prevented action to prevent it. The worst that can be said of President B.O. meanwhile is that he is making the same mistake in Syria as President George Bush senior (allegedly) did in Afghanistan. Mrs Thatcher's famous warning about Mr Bush ("don't go wobbly, George!) could certainly apply to his current successor. By standing aside as Syria burns in the fallout from the growing inability of Russia to control its fiefdoms, he may well be setting aside trouble for later. Assad is unlikely to win back his northern kingdom, which could easily become a lawless centre for al-Qaeda operations, as Afghanistan did. But the truth is that strategically America has little to lose. It still has its key Middle East allies -- Israel, the Gulf states. If a consensus with Iran is formed, unlikely I know but not to be ruled out, it could find its position strengthened, even if conflict continues in Syria. It will not be lost on Russia that if some sort of deal is done allowing Iranian oil back on to the market, prices will fall and its own oil-dependent economy will be in jeopardy. And what of Assad? Will he not be strengthened by this deal? It hardly seems likely. The rebels are still as near to the centre of Damascus as they were on Aug 21. They still control large parts of the country. That video I linked to earlier -- it showed that Chechen group inspecting its conquest at Airbase 66 near Hama: another regime loss, ever closer to its heartland. | |
Posted by:trailing wife |
#12 Unfortunately, Putin + Dimitri may not have a choice, espec iff the Bammer is going to PCorrectly-Deniably claim the poor US, Global Economy, the Sequester, Debt Crisis, + now Shutdown as reasons for the US to N-O-T send in the USDOD iff Al-Qaeda, etc, foreign Hard Boyz succeed in overthrowing Assad. The AQ affiliates are going all-out to dominate or eliminate Syria's domestic Rebels, + Kurds, to cut down on inter-Militant competition + make sure that the country's civil war is between them + Assad, + ONLY between them + Assad AMAP ASAP ALAP. This is why many in the Pentagon now support putting US ground troops in Syria despite Assad's agreement to give up Chemical Weapons, NOT BECAUSE OF ASSAD PER SE BUT BECAUSE OF THE RISE OF AQ + FOREIGN MILITANT GROUPS VEE DOMESTIC REBS. THE SCENARIO IS QUITE REAL THAT THE US COULD POTEN END UP RELYING EVEN ON IRAN + HEZBULLIES + IRGC TO STOP A POST-ASSAD, QAEDA/FOREIGN MILTERR CONTROLLED ISLAMIST SYRIA. OH THE BORSCH-MANITY! |
Posted by: JosephMendiola 2013-09-29 23:51 |
#11 They not only feel safe enough from America now to dedicate arms to other tasks, like Syria The governments have never been in danger from the US. Private individuals are using their personal fortunes to raise private armies in Syria that they hope eventually to use against their home governments. It's a mistake to view governments and everyone they rule marching in the same direction, in the Arab world or anywhere else. There are any number of factions and interest groups there just as there are here. Syria became an issue simply out of sheer opportunism - Sunnis dislike infidels, but they dislike heretics/apostates/pagans like the Alawites even more. The Arab Spring was a chance to remove them from power and take revenge for all the years they slaughtered Sunni radicals rather than being slaughtered by them. The only reason Alawites get the time of day is because Syria is run by Alawites, and Alawites are of Arab ethnicity. Now that they've gotten an excuse to take the Alawites out, the Sunni facade of tolerance has not merely slipped - it's fallen off entirely. |
Posted by: Zhang Fei 2013-09-29 23:48 |
#10 I think your analysis is misguided; I think that the Saudis and the Gulf City-States weren't thinking of Shia vs. Sunni stuff being the main conflict until after we got the Defeat Administration in office in 2009. They not only feel safe enough from America now to dedicate arms to other tasks, like Syria... they feel the administration's on their side, as if "we" have a dog in the Sunni/Shi'a divide. It really makes me wonder about the rumors Zero's a Moslem. |
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-09-29 23:25 |
#9 The enemy of my enemy is my...oops...never mind... Alawites are beset on all sides by enemies. Short of a special refugee designation allowing them to head West, an Alawite in Syria would logically view all Western democracies as his enemy because of their proselytization and economic and military pressure in favor of democracy, combined with their opposition to partition, which is a death sentence for traditionally despised minorities in diverse countries like Syria. The West might be a lesser enemy than the Sunni world, which harbors genocidal views about Alawites, but it is still the enemy of the Alawite people. Someone who wills the means ultimately wills the ends. |
Posted by: Zhang Fei 2013-09-29 21:56 |
#8 ZF: Assad backed the "brave guerrilla resistance" in Iraq, and look where they are now. Syria, shooting at his troops. Assad had a choice - suppress the Sunnis raring to fight in Iraq who were being lavishly funded by Gulf Arab businessmen - thereby attracting the ire of jihadists who would have made Syria the theater of an Iraq-like guerrilla war, except without Uncle Sam's $100b a year in military assistance, state-of-the-art American technology and 100K GI's to fight the guerrillas for him. Bottom line is that any action against Sunnis fighting in Iraq would have reminded Sunnis that a Sunni majority was being ruled by Alawite pagans/apostates. His strategy was sound - avoid any interference with efforts of Sunni warriors to fight Uncle Sam. As I see it, his problem was that Uncle Sam withdrew before killing off all the motivated Sunni jihadists. But the US is, in a backhanded way, Assad's great benefactor - it killed off large numbers of freelance Sunni warriors. The folks in Syria today are the minor leaguers. |
Posted by: Zhang Fei 2013-09-29 21:48 |
#7 Maxim 29: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more, no less. (Maxim 6: If violence wasn't your last resort you failed to resort to enough of it.) |
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-09-29 20:58 |
#6 #5 ZF: Assad backed the "brave guerrilla resistance" in Iraq, and look where they are now. Syria, shooting at his troops. Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain The enemy of my enemy is my...oops...never mind... |
Posted by: Uncle Phester 2013-09-29 20:51 |
#5 ZF: Assad backed the "brave guerrilla resistance" in Iraq, and look where they are now. Syria, shooting at his troops. |
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-09-29 19:50 |
#4 So the logic here is that if Putin backs the secularists in Syria, he'll get terror attacks in Russia? Well, we backed the jihadists ("mujahideen") in Afghanistan, and we've had more killed by jihadists in a single large-scale terror attack than all of the large scale terror attacks in Russia put together. For Russia, Syria is an ideal locale for focusing the energies of Russian jihadists. Ultimately, the Alawites (and secular Sunnis in Syria) are helping the Russians kill jihadists without Russia being directly responsible. And that's not such a bad thing. The bonus is avoiding the fall of yet another domino in the Russian sphere of influence. If the Alawites win, they (and other non Sunni Arab minorities, including Sunni Arab secularists) will owe the Russians forever. |
Posted by: Zhang Fei 2013-09-29 18:03 |
#3 You miss the point uncle. The author thinks Putin is accountable to "international community" (the author & his tranzi pals). He'd probably shocked to find out that Putin thinks of them. |
Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2013-09-29 13:07 |
#2 ...am pretty sure the Rooskies learned a few things from their Excellent Afghanistan Adventure and are unlikely to repeat the dumb stuff...Our "Idiot Savant In Chief" had his a$$ handed to him over Syria, but the MSM Whirl-O-Matic is in overtime trying to find / fabricate from whole cloth something, nay ANYTHING to make Champ look like the international leader he shall never be... |
Posted by: Uncle Phester 2013-09-29 11:01 |
#1 Dear Richard, how's the weather in Andromeda galaxy? |
Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2013-09-29 01:43 |