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Home Front: WoT
O Finds Himself in W Territory
2013-06-09
In his first public comments on the controversy, Obama emphasized the congressional and judicial oversight of the surveillance programs. He also stressed their effectiveness.

"I came in with a healthy skepticism about these programs," Obama said Friday.
Especially since they were being practiced by his predecessor.
As Trotsky once said to a companion, after the companion had made a distasteful remark about the new Red Army: "yes, but it's our army now."
But he said the value in disrupting terrorism outweighed any "modest encroachments on privacy. . . . You know, net, it was worth us doing."
Obviously off-teleprompter.
U.S. officials, civil liberties groups and security experts said the revelations show that, as much as Obama has sought to distance himself from the counterterrorism policies of his predecessor, he has embraced and in some cases expanded controversial programs that originated under Bush.

"If you think about the president's speeches, there has been an attempt to articulate a discontinuity" from Bush on a range of issues, including prisoner interrogations and the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, said Steven Aftergood, at the Federation of American Scientists. "But when it comes to surveillance," Aftergood said, "there's no clear repudiation. On the contrary, there appeared to be an embrace and an endorsement all the way through."

Bush loyalists made similar points in ways that at times bordered on gloating.
I'll only gloat when he is excoriated by the press, like Bush was.
"Drone strikes. Wiretaps. Gitmo. O is carrying out Bush's 4th term," said former Bush administration spokesman Ari Fleischer.

Statistics released by the Justice Department indicate that some surveillance operations authorized by the court have expanded under Obama and that others have remained at levels established under Bush. Requests for warrants under the provision used to compel Verizon to turn over data have surged, from 13 in 2008 to 212 last year.
Just as the use of political power to cow opponents has surged!
Meanwhile, Obama has fought legal attempts to force the government to disclose Justice Department opinions that provide the legal basis for NSA surveillance programs. In 2011, the administration released two heavily redacted memos that had been in effect under Bush, but it has yet to produce any of its own.
The most transparent regime government since ... Stalin?
Since 2008, "the administration has changed, Congress has changed, leadership of intelligence agencies has changed," said Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, which has been involved in the effort to obtain the memos. But surveillance, Jaffer said, "grows steadily bigger and less accountable every year."
I never thought I'd say this, but - Go, ACLU!
"I think it's interesting that there are some folks on the left, but also some folks on the right who are now worried about it who weren't worried about it when it was a Republican president," Obama said.
Ironic, isn't it? He used to be worried about it, but now he's not. I suppose narcissists can't appreciate irony?
Posted by:Bobby

#6  With all the scandals and revelations about this administration, do you think he will soon carry this sign ?


Posted by: Au Auric    2013-06-09 18:41  

#5  Asshole, plenty of people were worried about it, on all sides, and now everyone's suspicions are true. If there is a person in the ACLU who has picked up a history book they know that if there are detailed files about his enemies, then there are binders full of his allies - to you in line and to yank the chain.

If the ACLU thinks its the coq of the yard, it should also realize its the next on the block.

Perhaps TOTUS was detained for mentioning in a good light a Bush policy.

As modest as Ron Jeremy in a thong selling bibles door-to-door. If this Boooosh policy was so bad, why was it not cancelled? Liar.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2013-06-09 13:44  

#4  As I understand Champ's position, anything a federal employee does is top secret; and anything a private citizen does is fair game for surveillance and disclosure. That's not what I got out of the Constitution.
Posted by: Matt   2013-06-09 12:47  

#3  "They are firm advocates of free speech and of privacy as long as it doesn't involve guns"

FTFY, Steve.
Posted by: Barbara   2013-06-09 12:23  

#2  This may constitute heterodox thought but I do think the ACLU does some useful things. They are firm advocates of free speech and of privacy, and that's important to all of us. That they are kooky in a number of other cases just means that we have to filter what they say/do.
Posted by: Steve White   2013-06-09 12:05  

#1  ACLU makes for strange bedfellows at times. Usually, I am suspect of them too. A couple of other watchdog groups working to maintain rights are: Judicial Watch (political corruption watchdog), Media Research Center (MSM bias watchdog), EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) {collection/use of data watchdog). They are somewhat disparate groups.
Posted by: JohnQC   2013-06-09 10:44  

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