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| Russian FSB contacted CIA in fall of 2011 regarding bomber |
| 2013-04-28 |
| The CIA pushed to have one of the suspected Boston Marathon bombers placed on a U.S. counterterrorism watch list more than a year before the attacks, U.S. officials said Wednesday. Russian authorities contacted the CIA in the fall of 2011 and raised concerns that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed last week in a confrontation with police, was seen as an increasingly radical Islamist who could be planning to travel overseas. The CIA request led the National Counterterrorism Center to add Tsarnaev’s name to a database known as the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, or TIDE, that is used to feed information to other lists, including the FBI’s main terrorist screening database. The CIA’s request came months after the FBI had closed a preliminary inquiry into Tsarnaev after getting a similar warning from Russian state security, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter. The disclosure of the CIA’s involvement suggests that the U.S. government may have had more reason than it has previously acknowledged to scrutinize Tsarnaev in the months leading up to the bombing in Boston. It also raises questions why U.S. authorities didn’t flag his return to the United States and investigate him further after a seven-month trip he took to Russia last year. The CIA declined to comment on its role in the case. A U.S. intelligence official said the agency had “nominated [Tsarnaev] for inclusion in the watchlisting system” and had shared all of the information it had been given by Russia, including “two possible dates of birth, his name and a possible variant.” The official said the information that Russia provided to the CIA was “nearly identical” to what it had shared with the FBI. U.S. officials said the warning to the CIA came from Russia’s FSB, a successor to the KGB, and that it was based on fears that Tsarnaev was an Islamist militant who might seek to carry out a terrorist attack in Russia. Tsarnaev and his 19-year-old brother, Dzhokhar, immigrated to the United States about a decade ago, but their family had ties to Chechnya, a region where Muslim separatists have been engaged in a bloody conflict with the Moscow government for decades. The younger Tsarnaev, who is recovering from gunshot injuries in a Boston hospital, was apprehended days after the marathon bombing and faces multiple terrorism-related charges. The FSB appears to have turned over information on Tamerlan Tsarnaev, including possible birth dates and the spelling of his name in Cyrillic letters, to CIA officials in Moscow in late September 2011. The information was passed to CIA headquarters on Oct. 4 and relayed roughly two weeks later to the National Counterterrorism Center, an agency that serves as a clearinghouse for threat data and manages the TIDE database. The Rooters news agency first disclosed that Tsarnaev’s name was listed in the TIDE database. But the revelation of the CIA’s role is likely to intensify questions about whether the FBI and other domestic law enforcement agencies missed chances to detect or disrupt the bomb plot. |
| Posted by:Besoeker |
| #5 "Are we really acquiescing to the occasional mass slaughter so as not to be rude?" It does seem that way, JD, particularly for the Administration and the MSM (but I repeat myself). Of course, they all have armed security protection, while they're trying to take our weapons from us so we |
| Posted by: Barbara 2013-04-28 14:57 |
| #4 Question. IIUC, TIDE is a list of ~540,000 "suspicious" people. Potential splodeydopes. I assume there is no realistic way to monitor them all. I also assume that a significant number of them really should be under surveillance 24/7, but determining which ones, exactly, is difficult. And of those, I would think that predicting the exact time, location, and means that Dude X will select to unleash carnage is nearly impossible. If those assumptions are correct, why do we bother wasting finite, limited resources on an endeavor that has approximately the same chance of success as winning the lottery? Wouldn't it make more sense to just deport every non-US citizen in TIDE (95% of them, IIUC), or at least, if they leave the US, permanently bar their re-entry? And perhaps even refuse entry to citizens of jihad-friendly countries altogether? What obligates 300 million Americans to risk their lives for the sake of 0.5 million individuals with a high propensity for mass murder? If it is ok for individuals to conduct our own "behavioral profiling" when we go on a date, what makes it wrong for us to do the same as a nation? I know, I know, that's just crazy talk. Still. Why is this not the "national conversation" we're having? What is so taboo? So awful? Are we really acquiescing to the occasional mass slaughter so as not to be rude? |
| Posted by: RandomJD 2013-04-28 13:48 |
| #3 Nobody gets fired PB. As in Benghazi, Boston, and Fort Hood, innocent people just get dead. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2013-04-28 12:45 |
| #2 Who's lost their job over this immense fuckup?? (I don't normally use language like that but it's needed for some cases). |
| Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2013-04-28 12:42 |
| #1 It also raises questions why U.S. authorities didn't flag his return to the United States and investigate him further after a seven-month trip he took to Russia last year. No need to "investigate" or tip him off to their surveillance, they knew precisely what he was up to. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2013-04-28 01:43 |