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Muslim Brotherhood to UN: 10 reasons we hate women's rights
2013-03-18
1. Granting girls full sexual freedom, as well as the freedom to decide their own gender and the gender of their partners (ie, choose to have normal or homosexual relationships), while raising the age of marriage.
I agree that's pretty dangerous. I'm thinking specifically of a rape case involving high school football (maybe it was baseball, I dunno) players and a girl who was so drunk she couldn't remember whether she'd been raped or not. She wasn't sure until she saw the photographic evidence on Facebook. But my first thought was "What the hell was she doing drunk on her ass with a bunch of guys she probably didn't even know?" With freedom comes responsibilty, to utter the obvious. Girls who aren't raised to be ladies are likely to find themselves in that kind of situation. Boys who aren't raised to be gentlemen are likely to be the kind of animals who regard girls as pieces of meat. Presently Egypt's streets are crawling with men who'll assault passing women at the drop of a hat. But it's a cultural thing. If all the Egyptians converted to Christianity the same street lice would still be crawling; the only difference would be that they'd go to church on Sundays.
2. Providing contraceptives for adolescent girls and training them to use those, while legalizing abortion to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, in the name of sexual and reproductive rights.
I don't think governments, any at all, should have any part in people's sex lives. Period. It simply doesn't track with providing for the common defense or even ensuring domestic tranquility. It does track with the (apparently theoretical) right to be left alone. If we weren't quite so obsessed with sex it wouldn't be so much of a problem and it would remain a joy. I'm against abortion, but it's a 51 percent against; I can see lots of occasions where it's better, starting with rape.
3. Granting equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships.
Goose-gander. I don't approve of infidelity, but from what I've seen, men are more likely to stray than women, by maybe a percentage point or two. The entire concept of "legitimacy" has gone "poof" in the past fifty years. Walk into a grade school in most places and you'll be hard-pressed to find a child, especially a first-born, whose mommy and daddy were married when they were born. But you have to ask, because those kids look and usually act no different from those born within wedlock.
4. Granting equal rights to homosexuals, and providing protection and respect for prostitutes.
Back to that right of privacy thing, I don't care if two "bachelors" share an apartment or even buy a house together. I prefer not to see them indulging in PDAs, but watching a fellow feeling up his girlfriend in public makes me uncomfortable, too. A person's accomplishments make his measure, not what he does in the bedroom or the bathroom. Prostitutes are a touchy matter; I wouldn't want my granddaughters to go into the business and I'm hope they're all being raised so that it will never occur to them to do so. But hookers remain human beings, and as such require the protection of the law.
5. Giving wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger.
If she says "no" that means she doesn't want to. If a man's not married to her he should drop the matter at that point. Within marriage wheedling and begging is more to the point. Slapping the broad around and taking your pleasure remains just as much of an abomination whether she's your wife or a stranger walking past the mouth of an alley.
6. Equal inheritance (between men and women).
It's the wave of the future, bub. Why not? Wealth is no longer tied to land; it's money. It's easier to divide money than it is to divide land. Sons and daughters are both human beings. I suspect that they're both equal in the sight of God, assuming he notices such eentsy-weentsy things. There are biological differences, but you can find enough girls far enough outside the bell curve to whoop most boys that the distinctions become meaningless.
7. Replacing guardianship with partnership, and full sharing of roles within the family between men and women such as: spending, child care and home chores.
Partnership has been around since at least the time of St. Paul. It's been an up and down thing, mainly due to biology, but if women require guardianship it's to protect them against the sort of beasts infesting the streets of Cairo or Delhi. I've always thought the ideal was partnership, rather than reducing the object of my affections to the status of a domestic animal. Spending, child care and home chores adjust themselves within a partnership marriage. Sometimes one does them, other times the other. If it's a successful partnership materially the chores can be hired out.
8. Full equality in marriage legislation such as: allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, and abolition of polygamy, dowry, men taking charge of family spending, etc.
I'm staring at this, wondering "What's wrong with that." Maybe it makes more sense in Arabic. I have nothing against polygamy, assuming the women approve and the man's up to it both financially and physically. But most don't and most aren't. The rest of it's tribal, cultural stuff.
9. Removing the authority of divorce from husbands and placing it in the hands of judges, and sharing all property after divorce.
I think that divorce is too easy, but other than that this is another complaint against something that makes sense.
10. Cancelling the need for a husband's consent in matters like: travel, work, or use of contraception.
To which I reply, "Well, duh!"
Posted by:tipper

#15  "Muslim Brotherhood to UN everyone: 10,000 reasons we hate women's rights"

FTFY

(But there's really only one reason; they're not called koranimals for nothing)
Posted by: Barbara   2013-03-18 22:58  

#14  Hey, I need this, could this re-post? I would like to see this on a scroll somewhere, need to have many eyes. Fred? Tipper? It is a Legacy Meme.
Posted by: newc   2013-03-18 22:29  

#13  Ooops, lost the cookie.
Posted by: AlanC   2013-03-18 14:34  

#12   That we treat humans as individuals and not as a collective, or group, or as cattle.

And there, in a nut shell, is the answer. Virtually all of the problems in the political world come about because of the various flavors of tribalism. Whether it's about race, ethnicity, creed, etc. You are dealt with by what you are, not who you are.

Obama doesn't buy indvidualism anymore that the muzzies.
Posted by: Galactic Coordinator Sheart9674   2013-03-18 14:33  

#11  Hear, hear, Dr. Steve!
Posted by: Barbara   2013-03-18 14:04  

#10  Well said doctor White.
Posted by: Besoeker   2013-03-18 12:45  

#9  Let's all agree that humanity a thousand years ago in most parts of the world lived by a set of rules that none of us would want to live by today.

Indeed, you could apply that statement to the world of two thousand years ago, or five hundred, or in some ways and places, one hundred.

That's not the question.

The question is: today, by what rules shall we live?

I strongly endorse rules that treat all humans as equal under the law, with equal rights and responsibilities, and foremost the right to think and believe as they wish. That we treat humans as individuals and not as a collective, or group, or as cattle. That governments are created by us, not the reverse, and that there is a thing called due process which shall, repeat shall, be upheld and observed.

I believe in leaving other people alone unless they try to impose their rules on me, or worse yet try to take my freedom or my life, or that of my family. If they try that I shall have the right to defend me and them, and I shall be competent, diligent and relentless.

I welcome diversity so long as it isn't imposed on me. I treat gently with those who disagree with me so long as they recognize that they may not convince me, and at that point walk away.

I don't care who does what in another bedroom as long as the participants are adults and consent. Spare me the details. Just don't go peeking into mine.

I'm a Catholic and thus may be a chauvinist in some ways, but I'd suggest that the last seven of the Ten Commandments are a darned good starting point for the organizing rules of the present world. We can go from there.
Posted by: Steve White   2013-03-18 12:44  

#8  Gibbon's description of Christian Egypt doesn't describe much courtly behavior. Especially in Alexandria, they were an unruly lot, given to rioting at the drop of a hat.
Posted by: Fred   2013-03-18 12:27  

#7  Nothing a few $ 250,000,000. cash advances from Uncle Sam won't cure. Please see Senator John Kerry for details.
Posted by: Besoeker   2013-03-18 11:26  

#6  next thing you know they'll prohibit binders of women
Posted by: Frank G   2013-03-18 11:24  

#5  f all the Egyptians converted to Christianity the same street lice would still be crawling; the only difference would be that they'd go to church on Sundays.

If all Egyptians converted to Christianity most of them would have far different values: it was Christianity who created the "amour courtois" ideals (Round Table and similar) when for first time in history women would be protected and served. Romans routinely raped their slaves, Germanic women were cattle. It was Christianity (the Church encouraged it) who set as Lancelot or Tristram role models, that is knights who travelled around defeating knavs who had defeated a lady or fought dragons to honor her. In Islam the role model is Muhammad and the jihadist that is a person who makes war on infidels takes slaves and then proceeds to rape them because he has the right to do it. The Muslim chronicle about the conquest of Spain delights in the tens of thousands of "women of great beauty" taken into slavery. Beauty is not very useful when all you want from your slave is cooking and clening the house. These are the values of Islam. You don't get the same proportion of scum when, people are told it is bad to be one than not only to don't tell them but that being one is the right thing to do and non-scum are prey
Posted by: JFM   2013-03-18 11:13  

#4  Awaiting NOW comments on Moslem mysigeny....in 5....4....3....

Of course if a Republican ever fires a female aide, the NOW and Gloria will be all over it.

Posted by: Bill Clinton   2013-03-18 10:43  

#3  ..slavery has also disappeared pretty much in the West too because we give people of other ethnicity, beliefs, and original social standing, equal protection of the laws.

Look at the economic and development [count the number of Nobel prizes in physics, chemistry, mathematics, etc] of the West to the that of all of Islam. Then look at the life expectancy comparison.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2013-03-18 09:38  

#2  How can you 'give' that which is not yours?
Posted by: Skidmark   2013-03-18 09:34  

#1  Muslim men say to me the family unit has disappeared in the West because we have given women too much power resulting in high divorce rates,single parent families and adultery.

Are they right or wrong?
Posted by: Flusogum Spealet6811   2013-03-18 08:46  

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