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| Separatists winning in Catalonia, Spain |
| 2012-11-26 |
| [CA.News.Yahoo] Four separatist parties in Spain's Catalonia looked set to win a majority in regional elections on Sunday, partial results showed, but the main one was on course to lose some seats, possibly undermining its bid to call an independence referendum. With half of votes counted, the ruling Convergence and Union alliance, or CiU, was winning 48 seats in the 135-seat local parliament, well down from its current 62 seats. The separatist Republican Left, or ERC, was winning 20 seats, with two other smaller separatist parties taking a total of 16 seats, giving the four parties 60 percent between them. Regional President Artur Mas, of CiU, had campaigned on a pledge to hold a referendum on independence, in response to a resurgent separatist movement among Catalans who are frustrated with Spain in a deep economic crisis. |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #7 It is my understanding that Catalonia has a much stronger economy than the rest of Spain, and they deeply resent supporting the rest of the ocuntry. This is not true for Quebec, which still rsents being conquered by the British Empire, nor Scotland ditto. I have no idea about the Basques, except that they were portrayed as unmannered country ignoramouses in The Three Musketeers. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2012-11-26 23:32 |
| #6 The theory is more effective or effcient use of scarce resources in protractive bad or uncertain economic times. * ION CHINA DAILY FORUM > [Russia Today] COMMUNISTS [KPRF = Russia] PROPOSE RUSSIA-LED EURASIAN-UNITY VS. [US-led] IMPERIALIST GLOBALIZATION. KPRF Leader Gennady Zyuganov at ICAPP Conference in Baku, Azerbaijan. ICAPP = stands for International Conference of Asian Political Parties. and * SAME > GLOBALIZATION HAS PEAKED?, in favor of "Localization"??? ARTIC > 2/3rds of Americans think REDUCED GLOBALIZATION is good for the US. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2012-11-26 23:02 |
| #5 I don't believe the Globies truly anticipated OWG + "Global Federal Union" + Ethnic Nationalism to result in a rise of Economics-led separatism among the ranks of major Powers or Nation-States, espec in EUROPE = EUROZONE/EU. THE US PER SE IS NOT IMMUNE - as per the US + proposed NAU [2015], IMO the next two years will measure the gauge of de facto secession among US State-Local Govts from Washington DC, NOT JUST NUMBERS OF INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS IN DIFFERENT US STTAES FILING PETITIONS OF SECESSION TO THE BAMMER WHITE HOUSE. The proposed future NAU-n-higher will have the power and authority of Fed-style public governance, NOT WASHINGTON DC ANDOR THE US + US GOVT. PER SE. THE "BIRTH PANGS" OF NAU IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY OR WIDOUT CHALLENGE. OWG + NAU, ETC. = TANTAMOUNT TO SERIOUS DE FACTO AMENDMENT OR ALTERATION [destruction?]OF THE US CONSTITUTION WIDOUT EITHER A NATIONAL VOTE(S) ANDOR A STATE VOTE(S). Covert usurpation of the right of the People and Contitutionally-mandated Polities, by and for "Globalism" + OWG-NWO - IFF UNILATERAL AMENDMENT, USURPATION, ANDOR DESTRUCTION OF THE US CONSTITUTION IS NOT A CAUSE FOR SECESSION + CIVIL WAR, WHAT IS!? |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2012-11-26 19:21 |
| #4 I've been to Catalonia, and have a simple answer to your question DJ: they're not Spanish. It's as simple as that, really. |
| Posted by: Secret Master 2012-11-26 13:32 |
| #3 When I lived in Texas during the Carter years the most popular bumper sticker was: "Let the Yankees freeze in the dark". I hear it is making a comeback. |
| Posted by: bman 2012-11-26 11:01 |
| #2 I don't quite understand the desire to break off to become a small non-entity It's call tribalism. Don't just count the Basques, or the Catalans or the Scots, remember Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania were part of another 'whole' known as the USSR. The same with the Ukraine. Throw in the division in Belgium. Then you have Switzerland. Would it be better for the parts that speak German, French, and Italian to join their respective linguistic neighbors to simply become part of something bigger or does the identity of being Swiss have a greater influence? Considering the Catalans, are they any different than Texans, once an independent entity now part of greater union? Like many of the those identified, how hard would it be to draw up a catalog of abuses of the central governing power to their 'way of life and culture'? Wait till the big bailout of the bankrupt blue states gets rolling and states like Texas are economically exploited to fund the political pandering. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2012-11-26 09:28 |
| #1 Whether it's Quebec, or the Basques, or the Catalans or the Scots, I don't quite understand the desire to break off to become a small non-entity. I understand regional pride, historical grievances, cultural differences, etc. etc. I can see why the idea is strong in the Balkans and the Caucus where ethnic cleansing and war are within living memory and could easily reignite. But what did the Canucks ever do to the French Canucks, eh? And what's the attraction of moving from being a G8 member to becoming a tiny back-water? Mark Steyn always makes the point that it would also make more sense if the Independence parties offered real independence and a break from the monopoly of the social democratic statist model. But the Independents are almost always offering more of the same, except maybe a little more socialism. So while Barecelona is a lovely city, an independent Catalunya would somewhere between Monaco and Slovakia in terms of global importance, and they would still have the same economic woes that Spain has. They'll still be in the Euro. Only they'll get no gold medals in the Olympics, their soccer/futbol team will be woeful, and still no one will speak their language or locate them on a map. Tourists wont care if their not officially in Spain when they stroll the Ramblas and oggle Gaudi buildings and Picasso paintings. So, what's the point? |
| Posted by: DJ Curtis C 2012-11-26 08:43 |