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-Election 2012
Biden Smirks, Ryan Defends
2012-10-12
In sharp contrast to last week's exchange between President Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney, the vice-presidential candidates clashed repeatedly during their 90-minute encounter. They differed over how to create jobs, whose taxes should and should not be cut or increased, how best to ensure the solvency of Medicare and Social Security, and whether the Obama administration's foreign policy in the Middle East and Afghanistan is working.
The part I saw, Biden didn't make points as much as he attacked. And exposed his pearly whites in a Cheshire-cat grin every time Ryan spoke.
Porcelain caps? Those teeth did not look natural.
The other contrast with the presidential debate was the absence of a clear winner. Romney was universally judged to have bested Obama in Denver, but Biden and Ryan each made their points with force and conviction.

Biden tried to dominate the debate and was a far more vigorous presence than the president last week. But he may have hurt his case by smiling sarcastically as Ryan made some of his points and interrupting repeatedly as the Wisconsin congressman defended his and Romney's policies.
I expect this was a test-run for 02, where The 0ne will be more "Presidential".
"I've had it up to here with this notion, that 47 percent," he said. "It's about time they take some responsibility here. And instead of signing pledges to Grover Norquist not to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class, 'We're going to level the playing field.' "
I though Joe over-acted that part.
At one point, he looked into a camera and said, "Look, folks. Use your common sense. Who do you trust?"
Trust in more hope and more change. Some day.
But Ryan argued that the administration's policies have failed many of those same people. He noted that the unemployment rate in Biden's home town of Scranton, Pa., is higher today than it was when Obama entered office.
Joe nodded sagely, but did not interrupt.
"Look, did they come in and inherit a tough situation? Absolutely," Ryan said. "But we're going in the wrong direction. Look at where we are. The economy is barely limping along. It's growing at 1.3 percent. That's slower than it grew last year, and last year was slower than the year before. Job growth in September was slower than it was in August, and August was slower than it was in July."

As vice president, Biden is accountable for the Obama administration's record -- a key target of attack by Ryan throughout the exchange. Ryan, meanwhile, came into the forum as the architect of the House Republican budget blueprint and acknowledged as the intellectual leader of the new Republican Party. Ryan and his budget came under direct attack from Obama in spring 2011, at a time when Obama was saying little about Romney.
Ryan's budget? Whaddabout the President's budget? How does Ryan's compare? Or did our Prez not offer one up for fear it might be found wanting? Come to think of it, Wasn't O's budget voted down, nearly unanimously?
The vice president implored voters watching at home to make a gut decision about which party they trust to protect their Medicare benefits. "Folks, follow your instincts on this one," Biden said.
In other words, whatever you do, don't think.
Later, he added, "To cut the benefits for people without taking other action you could do to make it work is absolutely the wrong way. Look, these guys haven't been big on Medicare from the beginning. . . . And they've always been about Social Security, as little as you can do.
Huh? Get that shoe outta your mouth!
Look, folks, use your common sense. Who do you trust on this? A man who introduced a bill that would raise it $6,400 a year, knowing it and passing it, and Romney saying he'd sign it? Or me and the president?"
Not bad, for an old dingbat.
Ryan countered by charging that the Obama administration had been "caught with their hands in the cookie jar" by cutting $716 billion in Medicare funding in Obama's health-care law. And Ryan said the Democrats do not have a "credible solution" that would stabilize the costly entitlement program for the future.

"He'll say all these things to try and scare people," Ryan said. "Here's what we're saying: Give younger people, when they become Medicare eligible, guaranteed coverage options that you can't be denied, including traditional Medicare. Choose your plan, and then Medicare subsidizes your premiums, not as much for the wealthy people, more coverage for middle-income people, and total out-of-pocket coverage for the poor and the sick."
No wonder the Dems prefer attack ads. It's harder to lie when the other side answers right back.
Noting the historic significance of two Catholic candidates sharing the debate stage, Raddatz asked each man about the role their religion plays in their policy views on abortion.

Ryan said he opposes abortion in part because of his Catholic faith, but also because of "reason and science." He said a Romney administration would oppose abortion with exceptions for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother. "I don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith," Ryan said.

Biden said he opposes abortion in his personal life, but said he does not believe the government should make such restrictions on citizens. "I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the congressman," he said. "I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people
careful, Joe
that --
careful....
women they can't control their body. It's a decision between them and their doctor."
The doctor we will choose for you, unless we choose send you to an abortionist.
Posted by:Bobby

#30  Vice President Chuckles

(hope this works)
Posted by: Barbara   2012-10-12 19:15  

#29  Rudest and most disrespectful behavior by a top level leftist during an important political debate in modern American history. Chilling.
Posted by: wr   2012-10-12 17:24  

#28  ....gettin' better....:

If Vice President Joseph R. Biden smiled too much during his debate Thursday night, the White House said the blame lies with Republican Rep. Paul Ryan and his position on the Obama administration's 2009 stimulus plan.

Many viewers said Mr. Biden appeared condescending or arrogant by smiling and laughing while Mr. Ryan, the vice presidential nominee from Wisconsin, was speaking during their debate in Danville, Ky. But White House press secretary Jay Carney said Friday the vice president likely couldn't help himself.

"When Congressman Ryan starts attacking the administration over the [stimulus bill] and the split-screen shows the vice president smiling, I can tell you, I can guess why he was smiling," Mr. Carney said. "Because he knew how hypocritical that was, because he had seen the letters written by Congressman Ryan requesting [stimulus bill] funding, because it would help the economy in Wisconsin."

Mr. Biden also appeared amused while Mr. Ryan was discussing Iran, Afghanistan and other national security issues.


Read more: White House defends Biden's debate demeanor - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/oct/12/white-house-defends-bidens-debate-demeanor/#ixzz297f2tX7g
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Posted by: Uncle Phester   2012-10-12 17:19  

#27  No one votes for VP but a lot of people saw the sneering left clearly for the first time and hopefully it opened a few eyes. You have Ryan talking about bipartisanship and working together with Democrats to close loopholes and such and you have Biden sneering. Nice contrast in seriousness.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2012-10-12 15:09  

#26  You think because we are tolerant, we are weak. Your arrogance offends me

Liam Neeson, Taken
Posted by: regular joe   2012-10-12 14:54  

#25  swksvolFF - little hands -- heh...
Posted by: Water Modem   2012-10-12 14:26  

#24  At the end of the day, no one votes for the VP. This was great theater, but not really that critical to anything.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2012-10-12 13:46  

#23  My wife noticed something like that, he gave a rude snippy condencending remark to the moderator (towards the beginning) and my wife then noticed how tiny and plumb uncle joey's hands are. "Like little cocktail sausages stuck in a bisquit."

Clancy tackled the concept of a nuclear device delivered without a missile decades ago. Perhaps the next time Afflack and Freeman stay over they can bring that ruinous movie they made.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2012-10-12 13:22  

#22  I would like to see pop-up video commentary and fact checking added to political speeches snd debates. Give a ten minute lag and you could have a team on each side. Split screen the debate and add snark and facts as you go.
Posted by: Rjschwarz   2012-10-12 12:16  

#21  Slow Joe knows the way to the ladies' hearts is to be an arrogant, condescending, jackass.
Posted by: regular joe   2012-10-12 12:03  

#20  My el cheapo pay-as-you-go not-a-smart-phone has a camera on it.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2012-10-12 11:43  

#19  Kudos to Ryan. It's not easy to share a stage with PT Barnum on meth.
Posted by: Iblis   2012-10-12 11:36  

#18  Personally, I think Ryan should've hit him harder on Benghazi - especially IRT the additional security requests that were denied by that consulate. When the VP said he had not heard that I would've pounced - gave dates, names, etc -- then connected that to an incompetent admin and that the OBL killing, while good, did not stop AQ from re-constituting in Libya. Also, when the VP through the intel community under the bus I would've hit him on that to. As well as Susan Rice being ill-informed (aka incompetent or a liar). On Iran I would've hit him on symbology of showing daylight between us and the Israelis and tied in the Vegas trip as proof of an un-serious pres. Overall, I think Ryan did well considering he's not specifically a foreign policy guy like Biden is supposed to be.

My guess is that he wasn't as prepped as he should have been, and off-the-cuff answers are dangerous, because every GOP debate point has to have been pre-vetted for all the holes the media will pick in it. Given the partisan nature of the media, Democratic misstatements of fact will skate by, whereas tiny GOP mistakes will be examined under a microscope. I don't blame him for departing from his prepared script. His problem was inadequate preparation in foreign policy and Biden's repeated use of lies - that went unchallenged by the moderator - to make his point.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2012-10-12 11:27  

#17  Perhaps a serious person on TV will not that weapon devices don't have to be screwed onto a missile a la Wile E. Coyote. Its like saying, Al Qaida could not possibly attack US targets because they lack cruise missiles. Perhaps that jackhole Cloony could bring his movie Peacemaker next time he overnights at the White House.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2012-10-12 11:17  

#16  Buy a car from that guy, that is.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2012-10-12 11:14  

#15  Sad the blind choose not to see.
Posted by: Angeresing Whart7463   2012-10-12 11:14  

#14  Interesting ther SAM, I was thinking that if I had been trying to buy a guy from that guy, I would not have only left but thought about burning the place down.

Laughing at serious questions and misery. Something a person would expect from grade school debate, and expect to be DQ'd for it.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2012-10-12 11:13  

#13  Biden reminded me of a cross between Jerry Sanduski and a used car salesmen who'se just tried cocaine for the first time. I especially liked how his meds ran out and he crashed at the end of the debate and started speaking in a monitone. Maybe they should up the dosage at his speaking engagements.
Posted by: Secret Master   2012-10-12 11:03  

#12  BTW did you catch the part before the debate where they said the audience was not permitted to carry cellphones with cameras?

Do they currently have plans for cellphones without cameras from the major cellular companies?

Like... no smirks for the cam?
Posted by: Water Modem   2012-10-12 10:41  

#11  Interesting that neither Biden nor the moderator would let Ryan talk about 100 pending criminal charges in the Energy Dept regarding the 90 billion in alt energy.
Posted by: Water Modem   2012-10-12 10:39  

#10  When will Republicans stop agreeing to "moderators" who are shills?

If they want Ratt-tits as moderator, then Republicans should have asked for Limbaugh for the next debate.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2012-10-12 10:34  

#9  Martha Radditz also gets an F for not allowing Ryan to hit harder on Benghazi.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2012-10-12 10:19  

#8  'We're going to level the playing field.'

I supposed that comment of Biden's was a comment on social justice, fairness (as seen by the Donks), and redistribution of people's income from the working to those who don't.

Biden came across like the Aurora shooter; crazy eyes, nuts, and weird disconnected smiling and laughing over serious matters. The only thing missing was the Batman costume, According to the feedback this a.m. Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times. The moderator did a poor job of moderating and controlling these Biden interruptions. Biden, I think, must have talked far more than Ryan Of course, that might have been a strategy. I wouldn't be surprised to see more of this in Tuesday's Presidential debate.

Posted by: JohnQC   2012-10-12 10:18  

#7  I began to think Biden was deliberately trying to get Ryan to lose his temper. But Ryan kept his cool and kept plugging. He must have known that would be part of Biden's strategy. In that respect, Biden showed himself to be a monumental jerk and lost the debate big time.

I've seen this before and it must be recognized as a classic liberal strategy: When you don't have the facts be sure to shout down your opponent when he tries to present his.

Martha Raddatz gets a big F for her failure to keep this thing from degenerating into a shouting match.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2012-10-12 10:09  

#6  OWS vs Tea Party

Adolescents vs Adults
Posted by: Procopius2k   2012-10-12 09:40  

#5  oops, I meant "additional security requests that were denied TO THAT consulate."
Posted by: Broadhead6   2012-10-12 08:43  

#4  I think the 'hammer called it right - if you listened to it on radio (and are not well acquainted w/facts - my opinion) then Biden won. If you read the transcripts it was a tie. If you watched the t.v. debate Ryan won.

This a.m. Lib media is calling this a Biden win (big surprise). I agree that he controlled the debate but I don't necessarily equate that to a win, unless style and passion are your prerequisites over substance and class. The smirking shit he was doing looked totally un-professional and I think undercut the points Joe was trying to make. I think he does connect w/a certain portion of the populace - which is a sad commentary on the state of our electorate.

Personally, I think Ryan should've hit him harder on Benghazi - especially IRT the additional security requests that were denied by that consulate. When the VP said he had not heard that I would've pounced - gave dates, names, etc -- then connected that to an incompetent admin and that the OBL killing, while good, did not stop AQ from re-constituting in Libya. Also, when the VP through the intel community under the bus I would've hit him on that to. As well as Susan Rice being ill-informed (aka incompetent or a liar). On Iran I would've hit him on symbology of showing daylight between us and the Israelis and tied in the Vegas trip as proof of an un-serious pres. Overall, I think Ryan did well considering he's not specifically a foreign policy guy like Biden is supposed to be.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2012-10-12 08:40  

#3  Biden was that obnoxious drunk at a bar that keeps interrupting and getting in your conversation. A total asshole
Posted by: Frank G   2012-10-12 08:04  

#2  I was not able to watch, but from all the reports, Ryan was the better man character-wise. Grace under fire: the virtue my lib-"Christian" associates extol highly, so will either have to admit Ryan was the better man or their own hypocrisy. I will be pushing that angle fiercely.

My only quibble is that, from the reports, he didn't call out the "bought referee", but perhaps the strategy was to pay out the rope: my key fear was Biden getting beat up by Ryan and getting the underdog vote, but the bias was so obvious that Ryan will get it.

I'm sending $100 to Romney's campaign today, but I'll have to send another $100 for Ryan's performance. A far better man temper-wise than I, and very worthy of my vote.
Posted by: Ptah   2012-10-12 07:38  

#1   "Folks, follow your instincts on this one," Biden said.

Yes thank you, I will. You once again showed us your arse. We're going to show you the DOOR!

Quite difficult if not frightening to believe this disrespectful, arrogant, smirker sits only a heartbeat away from being president of the United States.

Moderator Raddatz did a splendid job as a leftest, partisan hack I might add. Poor confused soul. She has a problem living with leftest foks, but has no problem at all supporting them as presidents and vice-presidents for the rest of us.
Posted by: Besoeker   2012-10-12 07:28  

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