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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Corzine 'stunned' that MF Global couldn't find missing funds
2011-12-09
[L.A. Times] As the first former U.S. senator to be subpoenaed by Congress in more than a century, Jon Corzine testified Thursday about the "last chaotic days" of MF Global, the trading firm that declared bankruptcy under his watch.

Corzine said he was "stunned" to learn that the firm could not locate hundreds of millions of dollars in client money in the days before the firm's collapse, and said he had no idea where the money had gone.
He's lying, of course.
Corzine was chief executive of MF Global when the firm filed for bankruptcy protection Oct. 31. He resigned from his post five days later.

"I simply do not know where the money is or why the accounts have not been reconciled to date," he said in testimony before the House Agriculture Committee.
Principals at hedge funds, brokerages, and trading houses always know, minute to minute, where the money is. It's what they do for a living. They expend substantial resources to make sure they know where the money is and just as (or more) importantly, how liquid they are, minute to minute. Of course he knew.
Client money should have been held in segregated accounts separate from those involving the firms' own trading activity. The disappearance of the money has led to speculation that MF Global used customer funds to shore up risky bets on European sovereign debt.

"I never intended to break any rules," Corzine said when asked whether he had ever authorized a transfer of customer funds from segregated accounts.
Ah, the 'Holder' defense...
"There were an extraordinary number of transactions during MF Global's last few days, and I do not know, for example, whether there were operational errors at MF Global or elsewhere, or whether banks and counterparties have held onto funds that should rightfully have been returned to MF Global," Corzine said.

Corzine said he "strongly advocated" the trading strategy that led MF Global to accumulate more than $6 billion in holdings in European sovereign debt. But he said the company's sovereign debt positions were not the cause of the firm's collapse.
Zero Hedge explains how thoroughly we're boned because of MF Global's collapse.
Posted by:Fred

#27  he should be stripped of everything he owns to pay back part of that $1.2 Billion. EVERYTHING
Posted by: Frank G   2011-12-09 22:43  

#26  swksvolFF, you are right at 38 years. I calculated minutes not seconds. Time to lay off the alcohol.
Posted by: Slatle Bumble5851   2011-12-09 21:56  

#25  2,281.5 years.
Posted by: Slatle Bumble5851   2011-12-09 21:50  

#24  If I did my math right, if he serves one second per each dollar lost of $1.2billion, he would be in jail for 38 years.

He is public sector, where a billion is a note and money can be printed. In the private sector positions such as CEO do have rank, but are really positions of responsibility.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2011-12-09 21:22  

#23  Sorry, wrong thread. Comment meant for Holder compares Issa to Tailgunner Joe thread.
Posted by: Slatle Bumble5851   2011-12-09 20:54  

#22  Joe Jr. was the one Joe Sr. was lining up for the presidency. John F. was the stumblef@@k backup.
Posted by: Slatle Bumble5851   2011-12-09 20:49  

#21  As lotp pointed out, Mr. Corzine is one of the authors of Sarbanes-Oxley. I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, S-Ox REQUIRES CEOs to know where the money is, and to certify where it is. A few days ago, somebody here pointed out that he had admitted under oath that he had violated S-Ox by not knowing.

Of course, given his associations, it is unlikely he will be tried and convicted, and even if he is, he is unlikely to spend any time behind bars.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia   2011-12-09 19:00  

#20  I'm not so sure that wasn't in fact part of the reason they sought him. The Goldman Sachs IPO was controversial and hugely successful thanks to him, even if he left just before the actual IPO was launched. He lost out to co-CEO Paulson in an internal power play over bailing out a hedge fund that threatened to bring down the financial system - Paulson was a white shoe, well-connected investment banker (read: powerful wealthy white guys doing deals in private clubs) and hated Corzine's greater appetite for risk and the far harder to control public markets.

It was exactly Corzine's appetite for big bets - which shaped GS' highly successful IPO despite Paulson's opposition - that would have attracted MF Global, especially in the early days after he lost the election to Christie, when the outcome of TARP etc. was up for grabs.
Posted by: lotp   2011-12-09 18:41  

#19  Corzine had more than a Rolodex.

True. But he had been out of the industry for years. I don't think he was brought into MFG for his financial acumen.
Posted by: Pappy   2011-12-09 17:59  

#18  The traders I know can tell you where every penny is that they've invested on someone else's behalf. They have to, it's not only the law (although Mr. Corzine did have a 'D' behind his name at one point so that might not count), but it's just good business.
Posted by: Mullah Richard   2011-12-09 17:46  

#17  Pappy, Corzine had more than a Rolodex. He worked in finance for several decades and had a resume with CEO of Goldman Sachs on it, as well as Senator and Governor. He lost a power struggle at Goldman, but subsequently made nearly half a billion out of his retained stock position when GS went public.

Moreover, as Senator he co-authored Sarbanes-Oxley, the legislation which specifically requires CEOs of publicly traded companies (such as MF Global) to personally attest to the accuracy of financial statements.

Much more than a Rolodex - and much more culpable.
Posted by: lotp   2011-12-09 17:19  

#16  Corzine might check with Soros.
Posted by: JohnQC   2011-12-09 16:47  

#15  There was commentary going around that Corzine was brought into MFG primarily because of his "Rolodex", and that he received waivers for a required certification(?).

It wouldn't be the first time someone was brought in at the top solely due to having high-powered connections.
Posted by: Pappy   2011-12-09 16:35  

#14  And he'll never do it again.
Posted by: Steve White   2011-12-09 15:22  

#13  He said he never told his subordinates to use client money, but if he did he didn't mean it.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2011-12-09 14:33  

#12  Sgt. Schultz sez"

"I KNOW NOTHING - NOTHING!"
Posted by: borgboy   2011-12-09 13:56  

#11  Has he checked under the cushions on his sofa ...
Posted by: Cincinnatus Chili   2011-12-09 12:38  

#10  Yup, I figure he'll never spend a day in the Graybar Hotel. He'll either get a pardon or he'll have a mysterious RAB-style 'suicide' with one behind each ear...
Posted by: Steve White   2011-12-09 11:14  

#9  I see an Obama pardon in his future
Posted by: Frank G   2011-12-09 11:08  

#8  They must have been in his pants when he took them to the cleaners. However, Corzine should be reassured that where he is going, money will be the least of his worries, except in buying the occasional Snickers or bar of soap from the snack bar.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2011-12-09 10:16  

#7  Play Amazing Missing word Bingo.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2011-12-09 10:03  

#6  Here's one definition of fiduciary responsibility -
"In the handling of money and when one acts as a corporate or individual trustee, there is a fiduciary responsibility owed to the principal party. It is defined as a relationship imposed by law where someone has voluntarily agreed to act in the capacity of a "caretaker" of another's rights, assets and/or well being. The fiduciary owes an obligation to carry out the responsibilities with the utmost degree of "good faith, honesty, integrity, loyalty and undivided service of the beneficiaries interest." The good faith has been interpreted to impose an obligation to act reasonably in order to avoid negligent handling of the beneficiary's interests as well the duty not to favor ANYONE ELSE'S INTEREST (INCLUDING THE TRUSTEES OWN INTEREST) over that of the beneficiary. Further, if the agent should find him/herself in a position of conflicting interests, the agent must disclose the dual agency (acting for two parties at the same time) or risk being accused of constructive fraud in regards to both or either principals."

Notice the resemblance? Things don't seem to change.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2011-12-09 09:05  

#5  So where did all the money go? Not just MFG's, but all the other losses. Soros? Putin? Kimmy? Bush?
Posted by: Bobby   2011-12-09 08:33  

#4  Sure.... happens to me all the time. Why just the other day I misplaced a couple trillion dollars - still haven't found it. It's no big deal.

You have to understand that to people like him - a billion is not that much - what we might think of a hundred dollars. A billion here.... a billion there... etc...
Posted by: CrazyFool   2011-12-09 08:29  

#3  "Could be in the attic, could be under the workbench in the garden shed..."
Posted by: Grunter   2011-12-09 07:43  

#2  Oh, yeah. I believe him...
Posted by: tu3031   2011-12-09 00:32  

#1  You will never hear me say "DUH, I lost a BILLION dollars".

What an a-hole. - he lost it to Obama's campaign.
Posted by: newc   2011-12-09 00:08  

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