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Britain's Cameron Vows to Confront 'Moral Collapse'
2011-08-16
[An Nahar] British Prime Minister David Cameron
... has stated that he is certainly a big Thatcher fan, but I don't know whether that makes me a Thatcherite, which means he's not. Since he is not deeply ideological he lacks core principles and is easily led. He has been described as certainly not a Pitt, Elder or Younger, but he does wear a nice suit so maybe he's Beau Brummel ...
announced Monday a sweeping review of government policy to reverse a "slow-motion moral collapse" that he blames for last week's riots that left five people dead.

He also pledged an "all-out war" on street gangs as Britannia struggles to find answers to its worst civil disorder for decades, which tarnished the country's image abroad just a year before London hosts the 2012 Olympic Games.

"This has been a wake-up call for our country. Social problems that have been festering for decades have went kaboom! in our face," Cameron said in a speech at a youth club in his affluent rural constituency in Witney, central England.

"Do we have the determination to confront the slow-motion moral collapse that has taken place in parts of our country these past few generations?" he asked, against a backdrop of colorful graffiti at the club.

Children as young 11 joined the four-day frenzy of looting, arson and violence which spread from London to other major English cities including Manchester and Birmingham, leaving dozens of homes and businesses in flames.

The Conservative premier has flooded the streets with police to prevent further unrest while more than 2,300 people have been nabbed, but Cameron said that the "security fightback must be matched by a social fightback."

He said the coalition government -- which came to power in May 2010 promising austerity measures to cut a record deficit -- would in the coming weeks review "every aspect of our work to mend our broken society."

A day after he controversially hired U.S. "supercop" Bill Bratton to advise the government on tackling street gangs, Cameron said there should be a "concerted, all-out war on gangs and gang culture".

"Stamping out these gangs is a new national priority," Cameron said, describing them as a "major criminal disease that has infected streets and estates across our country."

Cameron said the government would look at toughening conditions for those who receive unemployment and other benefits, trying to improve parenting skills and schools in deprived areas.

He said Britannia would use its current chairmanship of the Council of Europe to seek to push through changes to the European Convention on Human Rights, saying it had "undermined personal responsibility."

Addressing calls for the reintroduction of national military service, Cameron added that he was introducing a program of "National Citizen Service" to get 16-year-olds carrying out voluntary work.

In a taste of harsher measures to come, Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith separately told the BBC that people convicted of being involved in the riots could lose their benefits even if they do not receive a custodial sentence.

Labor opposition leader Ed Miliband was reportedly to accuse Cameron of "knee-jerk gimmicks" in a rival speech on Monday.

Cameron's speech came a day after he faced criticism from police chiefs who opposed his decision to hire Bratton, who is credited for tackling gang violence in New York, Los Angeles and Boston. Police chiefs say Britannia needs home-grown policies.

Top coppers and the opposition have also called on the government to reverse its plans to slash police budgets.

Interior minister Theresa May chaired a meeting of the government's COBRA security committee on Monday at which it is expected to decide whether to scale down the surge of officers on London's streets, currently at 16,000.

Courts in England have been working through the night and, in a first, on Sunday to clear the massive backlog of cases from the riots.

Three people were due to appear in court later Monday over the murder of three men who were hit by a car while defending their neighborhood against looters in Birmingham, Britannia's second city.

More than 5,000 people observed a minute's silence at a peace rally for the victims in Birmingham on Sunday.

Tariq Jahan -- who is the father of one of the victims and emerged as a heroic figure with his calls for peace after his death -- told the gathering that the display of unity gave him "strength in my heart".

A 16-year-old boy was also nabbed on Sunday on suspicion of the murder of a 68-year-old man who was attacked as he tried to put out a fire in the west London borough of Ealing.

Posted by:Fred

#15  Vowing to confront 'moral collapse' is all well and good, but I'm afraid that train done left the station.
Posted by: SteveS   2011-08-16 22:41  

#14  Britain's Cameron Vows to Confront 'Moral Collapse'

He uses a barber to shave?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2011-08-16 16:54  

#13  "Britain's Cameron Vows to Confront 'Moral Collapse'"

What - he's going to look in the mirror?
Posted by: Barbara   2011-08-16 15:53  

#12  I suspect those percentages are a whole lot different in India.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2011-08-16 15:39  

#11  'Bout sums it up. In any given population, there are 30% of people who want to work and produce, 30% who naturally don't, and 40% who could go either way

Depends on what race/culture you are looking at some more hardworking/ambitious than others!
Posted by: Paul D   2011-08-16 15:05  

#10  30-40-30 sounds about right in general, with the middle migrating towards the poles depending upon leadership or sloth.

Watch the video of that stage collapse, and note how many got in there from the get-go, how many wondered about asking themself if they could help, and how many just looked puzzled and left.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2011-08-16 14:46  

#9  I'll wait to see if the UK PM follows through on his observations. Something needing to be done early on is to build more prisons to hold the initial wave of miscreants who will be rounded up. Failing that, restore the sentence of 'transportation' to places like the Falklands.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2011-08-16 13:58  

#8  The looters are all part of a sub-class who do not share majority values. The fact that UK muslims can set up and enforce "Sharia Zones" with impunity, set the stage for the loot-fest.
Posted by: Injun Oppressor of the Swedes1340   2011-08-16 13:17  

#7  Shakey Steve -- a Mod here with just a bit of advice and history of Rantburg.

Your comment to "Since he is not deeply ideological he lacks core principles and is easily led."

WHAT?Makes absolutely no sense...which is par for the course, coming from the knuckle-dragging Bushites posting here...

Best to learn the special font Fred uses in his posted articles. He is, after all, the owner of Rantburg. Spends much of his time and resources to provide a space for you to deliver your rants.... at no cost to you.

I wouldn't want to angry him too much. He does own the "kill switch."
Posted by: Sherry   2011-08-16 11:02  

#6  Is there some mystery link between "moral collapse" and subsidising fecklessness by fining workers for work?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2011-08-16 10:04  

#5  Doyou have evidence to back up these numbers, Sherlock?
Posted by Shakey Steve


that's Mark Steyn, ex-pat Canuck you're arguing with. Don't bring a BB Gun to a real gunfight. In a battle of wits with him, you'd be embarrassed. Mush like everyday in your bleak "life", I suppose
Posted by: Frank G on the road   2011-08-16 09:44  

#4  There is nothing new under the sun.

Plimoth Plantation,1623


So they begane to thinke how they might raise as much corne as they could, and obtaine a beter crope then they had done, that they might not still thus languish in miserie. At length, after much debate of things, the Gov r (with y e advise of y e cheefest amongest them) gave way that they should set corne every man for his owne perticuler, and in that regard trust to them selves ; in all other things to goe on in y e generall way as before. And so assigned to every family a parcell of land, according to the proportion of their number for that end, only for present use (but made no devission for inheritance), and ranged all boys & youth under some familie. This had very good success; for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corne was planted then other waise would have bene by any means y c Grov r or any other could use, and saved him a great deall of trouble, and gave farr better contente. The women now wente willingly into y e feild, and tooke their litle-ons with them to set corne, which before would aledg weaknes, and inabilitie ; whom to have compelled would have bene thought great tiranie and oppression.

The experience that was had in this comone course and condition, tried sundrie years, and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanitie of that conceite of Platos & other ancients, applauded by some of later times ; that y e taking away of propertie, and bringing in comunitie into a comone wealth, would make them happy and florishing ; as if they were wiser then God. For this comunitie (so farr as it was) was found to breed much confusion & discontent, and retard much imploymet that would have been to their benefite and comforte. For y e yong-men that were most able and fitte for labour & service did repine that they should spend their time & streingth to worke for other mens wives and chil- dren, with out any recompence. The strong, or man of parts, had no more in devission of victails & cloaths, then he that was weake and not able to doe a quarter y e other could ; this was thought injuestice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalised in labours, and victails, cloaths, &c., with y e meaner & yonger sorte, thought it some indignite & disrespect unto them. And for mens wives to be commanded to doe servise for other men, as dresing their meate, wash- ing their cloaths, &c., they deemd it a kind of slaverie, neither could many husbands well brooke it. Upon y e poynte all being to have alike, and all to doe alike, they thought them selves in y e like condition, and one as good' as another; and so, if it did not cut of those relations that God hath set amongest men, yet it did at least much diminish and take of y e mutuall respects that should be preserved amongst them. And would have bene worse if they had been men of another condition. Let none objecte this is men's corruption, and nothing to y e course it selfe. I answer, seeing all men have this corruption in them, God in his wisdome saw another course fiter for them.
Posted by: William Bradford   2011-08-16 08:19  

#3  "'Bout sums it up. In any given population, there are 30% of people who want to work and produce, 30% who naturally don't, and 40% who could go either way. Collectivism in all its forms ...blah, blah, sputter, blah."

Do you have evidence to back up these numbers, Sherlock?
Posted by: Shakey Steve   2011-08-16 07:36  

#2  "Since he is not deeply ideological he lacks core principles and is easily led."

WHAT? Makes absolutely no sense...which is par for the course, coming from the knuckle-dragging Bushites posting here...
Posted by: Shakey Steve   2011-08-16 07:33  

#1  From Mark Steyn:

This is the logical dead end of the Nanny State. When William Beveridge laid out his blueprint for the British welfare regime in 1942, his goal was the "abolition of want" to be accomplished by "co-operation between the State and the individual." In attempting to insulate the citizenry from life's vicissitudes, Sir William succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. As I write in my book: "Want has been all but abolished. Today, fewer and fewer Britons want to work, want to marry, want to raise children, want to lead a life of any purpose or dignity."

'Bout sums it up. In any given population, there are 30% of people who want to work and produce, 30% who naturally don't, and 40% who could go either way. Collectivism in all its forms (fascism, communism, socialism, social democracy, Labor party, Democrats) pushes that 40% in the direction of being bottom dwelling sessile filter-feeding sea creatures, not the other way towards the light.

Call me cruel if it makes you feel morally superior, but unless and until we reintroduce the idea that able-bodied folks who choose to not work will suffer huge deprivation up to and including starving, this will only continue.

If only it weren't so. But it is.
Posted by: no mo uro   2011-08-16 06:57  

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