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| 2011-01-09 | ||
Prima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who only identified the shooter as a 22-year-old white male, said the evidence online and information they've received from two schools that Loughner attended led him to believe the gunman was "unstable." "There's reason to believe that this individual may have a mental issue," Dupnik told reporters today. "I'm not a psychiatrist so I have no reason to believe the person was insane. Was he unstable? I would agree with that." Dupnik said the shooter had previous run-ins with the law and had threatened to kill someone before. There had been "difficulties" at Pima Community College where Loughner attended, Dupnik said. One student, who had a poetry class with Loughner, said he would often act "wildly inappropriate." "One day he started making comments about terrorism and laughing about killing the baby," classmate Don Coorough told ABC News, referring to a discussion about abortions. "The rest of us were looking at him in shock I thought this young man was troubled." Another classmate, Lydian Ali, recalled the incident as well. "A girl had written a poem about an abortion. It was very emotional and she was teary eyed and he said something about strapping a bomb to the fetus and making a baby bomber," Ali told ABC News. Loughner reportedly recently made several YouTube videos with walls of text protesting the government and ranting against low literacy rates and illegitimate currency. "Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner. This video is my introduction to you!" one video, uploaded Dec. 15, says. "My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the greatest inspiration for my political business information. Some of you don't dream -- sadly... My ambition -- is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I'm conscience dreaming! Thank you!" In another video, he accuses the government of mind control via grammar. In another video posted on YouTube, Loughner uses repetitive, convoluted logic when defining terrorism.
A senior military official told ABC News Loughner attempted to join the Army but "never made it past the urinalysis." A high school classmate of Loughner's said he was extremely political in high school, but not radical. The classmate said Loughner once met Giffords in 2007 and said he thought the congresswoman was "unintelligent." | ||
| Posted by:Steve White |
| #37 Osama bin Laden? Muqtada al Sadr? Mahmood Achmadinnajad? No. These folks are all for government completely controlling the people. They are for religious oligarchies. |
| Posted by: gorb 2011-01-09 21:32 |
| #36 And they will show you 9 year olds stick figures sodomizing each other and call the parents names the children will remember when they are old and gray. You don't understand - they picket events which grade school kids attend like museums and plays. It is their goal to get in the kids' heads - liberals hate them because they stand for everything they hate about conservatives, and conservatives hate them because they know they are fakes playing an emotion game. I hate him because he is a slander to culture and Kansas, Phuck Phelps that leftist support lawyer in collar and tax shelter, whose only explanation for continued pushing of his madness and lawsuits is that he has friends or dirt in high places. I will have to dig for weeks to free myself of the sinktrap if I tell you what I really think, but y'all should get the point. There is a pattern to his protests - only cities with enough police presence to secure his mob of stalkers. Radicalized right wing loons - Osama bin Laden? Muqtada al Sadr? Mahmood Achmadinnajad? |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2011-01-09 21:07 |
| #35 I was thinking a Cartel hit team. Terrorism redux |
| Posted by: Frank G 2011-01-09 20:24 |
| #34 The best group to welcome the Westboro Baptist Church to the 9 year old's funeral would be a group of other children who would show them the three gteatest things associated with the Christian faith ...faith, hope, love; these three things; and the greater of these is love. |
| Posted by: wr 2011-01-09 20:20 |
| #33 Comment from Karl Denninger: why was the Pima County Sheriff talking trash yesterday - he knows he's got himself a bit of 'splaining to do once people figure out that they had Jared Loughner in custody at least once, knew he was potentially unstable and that he was a threat to others. If they had done their job perhaps this wouldn't have happened - you see, it is already illegal for someone who is mentally ill to purchase and/or own a firearm, which begs the question: did every opportunity exist to interdict this individual at some point in the last couple of years, including direct contact with law enforcement who were aware of homicidal threats and his behavior at his college, and yet either the procedures were not in place to refer him for evaluation or they were not followed? |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-01-09 19:45 |
| #32 Next comes the tsunami of gun-control rhetoric from the usual suspects. |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-01-09 19:40 |
| #31 The bullet entered the back of her head. Since the shooter was about 4' away, it suggests to me she probably wasn't running, but had turned away or was jostled away. |
| Posted by: gorb 2011-01-09 18:20 |
| #30 As to the shot itself, according to the medical report it was limited to just her left hemisphere, which is relatively better than if it crosses hemispheres, according to the surgeons. So she was probably looking directly at the shooter when he fired. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2011-01-09 18:03 |
| #29 Kos gets a pass but Sarah Palin gets blamed? Figures. |
| Posted by: Deacon Blues 2011-01-09 16:42 |
| #28 Look, I am not trying to make lite of this tragedy in Arizona but the Lefty Loons pilling on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, etc., is like they are just falling out of the sky. That aspect is almost getting to be a bit comical. DEFINITLY over board! In the mean time God Bless the victims. (from the Right) |
| Posted by: Chuckles Craviger9191 2011-01-09 16:33 |
| #27 Media outlets are always trying to be the first got get the story out. They always will put thing out with out vetting them to be the first to put it out. Like durning the 9-11 attacks when one of the news outlets put out that newark airport caused the first aircraft to fly into the WTC to only recant after the second on hit. It is all about the reviews. |
| Posted by: Sarge reports.... 2011-01-09 15:55 |
| #26 screw jailing and fining fred phelps or any of his brood. It's time someone do away with this whole cult. The goovernment had no problem going after the Branch Davidians or the ppl at Ruby Ridge so why not start a case on these idiots? Or maybe a few cops need too turn their eyes while they get what they deserve at their next protest then maybe they just might shut the fuck up. |
| Posted by: chris 2011-01-09 15:51 |
| #25 Interesting link. I was trying to remember the author/article calling for an uprising by the left in response to the last elections. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2011-01-09 15:49 |
| #24 Links to Leftist-Liberal Violence Speech. I suspect that the shooter was already mentally ill when he possibly experienced oxygen deprivation during an alcohol overdose in 06 that put some brain damage icing on his mental illness cake. Damage to the Brocas area and the Wernickes area of the brain (left side) typically causes problems with speech and language. Damage to the right side of the brain may interfere with the ability to express emotions or interpret what one sees. This sounds a lot like what some of his YouTube ramblings were about, why he thought other people were illiterate or stupidhe had difficulty processing what they were saying. In any event, I suspect that he will or already has talked to a psychiatrist, and if this is the case, such symptoms would be red flags for diagnosis. Its a good question whether they would put him in a general prison population, or if he would make the elite crew at the Arizona State Hospital (for the insane). Neither are particularly pleasant. Since he popped a federal judge, the feds own him. If insane, this means he will go to one of the five Federal Medical Centers, prisons for the insane. FMC Carswell -- Fort Worth, Texas FMC Devens -- Devens, Massachusetts FMC Fort Worth -- Fort Worth, Texas FMC Lexington -- Lexington, Kentucky FMC Rochester -- Rochester, Minnesota |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2011-01-09 15:37 |
| #23 Sounds to me like they are stalking the Greene family. Again, it is not a church, and he is not a priest. It is a tax shelter, they are lawyers with many links to liberal lawyers and lawfarers. TFSM is right that they likely do Rabble for Rubles. Their act is parody, like Colbert Report. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2011-01-09 14:54 |
| #22 746, you fail as a troll. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2011-01-09 13:51 |
| #21 This should NOT happen. Why have these people not been jailed and fined previosuly Free speech. As long as you aren't breaking bones or causing bones to be broken. What checks and balances are there on free speech? Exposing the speaker as a nutcase is one of them. |
| Posted by: gorb 2011-01-09 13:46 |
| #20 Westboro "Baptist Church" intends to protest QUOTE "Will no one rid me of this troublesom Priest." |
| Posted by: Redneck Jim 2011-01-09 12:33 |
| #19 This should NOT happen. Why have these people not been jailed and fined previosuly? Because they're Dem agent provocateurs (former Gore funderaisers, no less) pretending to be conservative for propaganda purposes. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2011-01-09 12:21 |
| #18 Sounds to me like a very carefully crafted-in-advance Insanity plea. I do NOT believe he's nuts, just smart. After all an insanity conviction means he can be Miraculosely "Cured" and released, where a Murder conviction warrants either Life-without-Parole or the death penalty. |
| Posted by: Redneck Jim 2011-01-09 12:07 |
| #17 The more i read about the guy, the more i'm convinced that he is not inspired by any political leaning (other than ron paul) but is heavily influenced by the so-called "conspiracy-websites" like Godlike-productions etc, having visited these type of page's i fear that there are many more like him out there. |
| Posted by: Phaiger Trotsky4912 2011-01-09 11:51 |
| #16 Was McVeigh a right ringer? I know the media has lied about him being a radical Christian (he was actually an atheist). |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2011-01-09 11:40 |
#15 What names are out there for radicalized righty loons? TIMOTHY MCVEIGH
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| Posted by: 746 2011-01-09 11:29 |
| #14 Politico has a story that says Tea Party advertises on the site of American Rennaisance. The ad is for a manufacturer of a version of the Gadsen flag out of Ohio. There are no, as in zero ads from any Tea Party organizations. Here is the relevant text from the Politico article: The feds are reportedly probing whether shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner has ties to an anti-Semitic, anti-government hate group that has ads for Tea Party organizations on its website. The groupâs website features what appear to be paid advertisements for tea party versions of the âdonât tread on meâ flag. Terrible, abysmal, abusive and manipulative reportage. |
| Posted by: badanov 2011-01-09 10:45 |
| #13 good job ABC News! "Prima County"? It's Pima |
| Posted by: Frank G 2011-01-09 10:26 |
| #12 Arizona shooting suspect may be linked to anti-Semitic group Looks like the whole plot is taking a surreal turn. However the info appears to have been leaked by DHS. |
| Posted by: tipper 2011-01-09 09:51 |
| #11 So, Westboro "Baptist Church" intends to protest the 9 year old's funeral in direct violation of the Christian faith and Baptist doctrine. ALL corners of the liberal sphere is a very nasty, debased, treacherous, landscape to behold. |
| Posted by: wr 2011-01-09 09:37 |
| #10 Stopped watching coverage on FOX yesterday after Shepard Smith announced three times that shooter was a veteran, although saying they didn't have other facts about anything else. The press gives vultures a bad name. |
| Posted by: Sgt. D.T. 2011-01-09 09:28 |
| #9 Second Suspect Wanted Over US Shooting Spree |
| Posted by: tipper 2011-01-09 07:51 |
| #8 #3 VIDEO: Fred Phelps Westboro Baptist Church plans on protesting at Cristina Greene's funeral Posted by tipper This should NOT happen. Why have these people not been jailed and fined previosuly? |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2011-01-09 07:36 |
| #7 One can hope that some day some cowboys rope Fred Phelps and his evil brood and drag them for miles through Texas Sandburrs and Cactus... Just a dab of black oilfield pipe dope or lithium grease hidden underneath their car door handles and uploaded youtube videos enough times showing their reaction, they'll get the message. Much gentler and funnier way of dealing with them... |
| Posted by: badanov 2011-01-09 03:03 |
| #6 One can hope that some day some cowboys rope Fred Phelps and his evil brood and drag them for miles through Texas Sandburrs and Cactus.... |
| Posted by: Water Modem 2011-01-09 02:20 |
| #5 Interesting how ABC News goes over and over about how radical and political he was. But never mention that he was a liberal. A new twist to 'Name That Party'.... |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2011-01-09 02:14 |
| #4 I listened to Prima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik's press conference. While he stopped just short of blaming Rush Linbaugh and Fox, his lips were dripping with anti-cable news innuendo and rhetoric. He was rather snappy as well about the absence of police security afforded the Giffords event. I was not at all impressed with this old fellow. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2011-01-09 01:53 |
| #3 VIDEO: Fred Phelps Westboro Baptist Church plans on protesting at Cristina Greenes funeral |
| Posted by: tipper 2011-01-09 01:48 |
| #2 RIP Christina Taylor Green |
| Posted by: tipper 2011-01-09 01:26 |
| #1 I think of this guy. In turn, I think of folks like Ted Kaczinsky, Sirhan sirhan, and Lee Harvey Oswald. All radicalized lefty loons. What names are out there for radicalized righty loons? |
| Posted by: gorb 2011-01-09 01:23 |