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| 2010-11-07 |
| This sets up what could be an ugly fight in which a Tea Party--inflected national Republican Party, encouraged by its strength in the interior states, forces California and New York--now heavily dependent on federal subsidies--to reduce their spending sharply. The coastal giants would no doubt respond by threatening defaults, which could affect the credit standing of the entire country, since many of the bonds are held by foreign investors. The upshot would likely be a high-stakes conflict about free trade, globalization, social class, race, illegal immigration, and public-sector unionism. |
| Posted by:Nimble Spemble |
| #16 Make it HURT! Y'know, there are places where you can post your sadistic fantasies... |
| Posted by: Pappy 2010-11-07 23:27 |
| #15 "Oh...restrict any exit of all Calif. citizens while they're in Territory status." I'd like to see anyone try that. |
| Posted by: Black Charlie Chinemble5313 2010-11-07 22:44 |
| #14 Strip CA & NY of Statehood and any voting representation in Congress. Do a forced Territory status on them. They remain in what amounts to receivership until their issues are fixed. Their entire State and Municipal govts. will be sacked and all administrative functions taken over by outside admins. Their Reps. and Senators get sacked, and replaced by appointees. All contracts with unions become null and void. That is just the start of what should be inflicted upon them. Oh...restrict any exit of all Calif. citizens while they're in Territory status. Purge, as in forcibly drive out all illegals in the process. Rinse and repeat as required with other insolvent States. Make it HURT! |
| Posted by: Secret Asian Man 2010-11-07 22:10 |
| #13 Screw the public unions. And their retirees who are now earning more than the average taxpayer. Time to chop them. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2010-11-07 21:53 |
| #12 I did a two part blog article on the coming collapse of California here. There will be a lot of pressure on the GOP to ante up money and kick the can down the road. Ultimately, I feel it will end up like Greece. The Federal government will have to guarantee California's debt, but the state will have to implement severe austerity measures. That will not go over well with the public sector unions. Then it will get real ugly. |
| Posted by: CincinnatusChili 2010-11-07 18:55 |
| #11 An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Sir Winston Churchill That's how I see this situation in CA (and NY). We aren't going to wait around and feed the crocdile in hopes he will eat someone else next- we're going to fight it and starve it instead. Getting bit hard may hurt, but it is a lot better then being eaten alive. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2010-11-07 14:12 |
| #10 The problem with communal cannibalism is that eventually you're the next guy on the plate, particularly when a couple of the big guys show no interest in dieting. I suspect that'll dawn upon enough of the states to realize it's an issue of self preservation. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2010-11-07 11:46 |
| #9 There are old fruit inspection stations on the border between AZ and CA, that could be reactivated in a pinch to keep out the CA refugees. And most of us have seen Escape from New York. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2010-11-07 11:24 |
| #8 Borrowing a phrase, it looks like the 2010 midterms has just sent California and New York rocketing into insolvency. |
| Posted by: badanov 2010-11-07 11:00 |
| #7 Bailouts are not likely to be a one-time deal. It is likely they would be continuing since the CA and NY system would have no incentive to change. The other method would perhaps re-set the CA & NY systems. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2010-11-07 10:24 |
| #6 The politicans had better not mistkae the mood of the nation outisde CA and a few other spots on the bailout of the public unions and bloated governments in CA and NY. its "F**k 'em, they dug the hole and did not stop digging when we warned them". I think people realize the lumps we would take in collapsing CA and NY are far less than continuing the pain forever by bailing those people out. Most of the pain in the latter would be born by us, but most of the pain in the former would be born by the unionists, government workers, CA and NY politicians and coastal elites, and idiots that voted to support them. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2010-11-07 10:08 |
| #5 California and New York—two states, deeply in debt, whose wealthy are beneficiaries of the global economy...This geographic division will also pit the heartland’s middle class and working class against the well-to-do of New York and California and their political allies in the public-sector unions. They got themselves into this political and financial mess. Let the wealthy who benefited from this pact with the devil, the politicians, and the public-sector unions hang in the wind. If they are truly the smartest people in the country, they can figure this one out threats to the rest of the country be damned. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2010-11-07 09:36 |
| #4 we can come up with 10 : Oregon,Washington,NJ,N Carolina, Michigan,Texas,Minnesota,Louisiana Florida,Wisconson. there 10..... |
| Posted by: 746 2010-11-07 09:28 |
| #3 Or maybe I misunderstood - 37 other bailed-out, dependent states would join with NY & CA to have a CC and really hammer TX and a few other states? |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2010-11-07 09:24 |
| #2 Procopois2k - that clause would be pre-empted by making sure NY & CA (& IL) were joined by another ten bailed-out, dependent states. |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2010-11-07 09:22 |
| #1 It's that little ugly Constitutional Convention clause thingy. Three quarters of the states can legally hammer one quarter if enough grief is raised upon them. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2010-11-07 08:52 |