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Olde Tyme Religion
Israel slams 'political attacks' by Catholic bishops
2010-10-25
Israel on Sunday slammed critical remarks made by Middle East Catholic bishops after a meeting chaired by Pope Benedict XVI as "political attacks" on the Jewish state.

"We express our disappointment that this important synod has become a forum for political attacks on Israel in the best history of Arab propaganda," Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said in a statement.

"The synod was hijacked by an anti-Israel majority," he added.

Bishops and patriarchs from across the Middle East on Saturday called on the international community to end the occupation of Arab lands in an official statement following a two-week synod held at the Vatican.

"Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable," the synod said.

Archbishop Cyril Salim Bustros, head of the commission which drew up the statement, went one step further, saying: "The theme of the Promised Land cannot be used as a basis to justify the return of the Jews to Israel and the expatriation of the Palestinians."

"For Christians, one can no longer talk of the land promised to the Jewish people," the Lebanese-born head of the Greek Melkite Church in the United States said, because the "promise" was "abolished by the presence of Christ."
That's the old view. The Catholics don't speak publicly about supercession (I think that's the term, but I'm not up on the latest Catholic theological philosophy) anymore.
Ayalon said he was "especially appalled" at those remarks. "We call on the Vatican to (distance) themselves from Archbishop Bustros's comments, which are a libel against the Jewish people and the state of Israel and should not be construed as the Vatican's official position."

Most religious Jews believe the land of Israel was given to them by God, and Jewish settlers often cite biblical justifications for holding onto the West Bank and east Jerusalem, territories seized in the 1967 Six-Day War.
Not quite. Most Jews believe they are a people like all others as well as a religion, and therefore as entitled to their historical homeland as a nation as any other people. They see the Bible (aka Old Testament) as the written historical record cum early literature collection that actually records what happened -- or at least the stories told about it -- back in the day when we were working up to, and then owned, the land they now claim as the national homeland of the Jewish people. Some believe that the first five books were dictated to Moses as he was leading the descendants of Abraham's grandson Jacob back to the land that A. had purchased from the locals after God promised it to him and his seed, then repurchased from the local landowners in the 19th and 20th centuries of the modern era, the bits occupied by Jews continually since ancient times not being enough to hold the immigrating population. Some take a more materialistic view, but all regard it as a historical record of more or less historical accuracy matched by the archeological record of the region. But one doesn't expect trained journalists to understand the subtle difference in those two statements.
But foreign ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said scripture had never been used by any Israeli government to justify the occupation or settlement of territory.

He also pointed out that Israel's Christian population had grown since the establishment of the Jewish state, while in much of the rest of the Middle East Christians have fled in large numbers because of war, instability and economic hardship.

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat, meanwhile, welcomed the synod's call for a two-state solution and blamed Israel for the emigration of Christians from the occupied territories.
"Good dhimmi. Perhaps we won't kill you just yet."
"The international community must uphold its moral and legal responsibility to put a speedy end to the illegal Israeli occupation," he said.

The United States convinced Israel and the Palestinians to renew direct peace negotiations in early September but the talks ground to a halt later that month when a 10-month partial Israeli moratorium on settlements expired.
Posted by:Throns Ebbeque9685

#7  You need to note the composition of this bunch. Not a single "orthodox" Archbishop or Cardinal was invited. Vatican "State" department stacked the deck.

For example, the Greek Melkite Church is about 1.3 million, and is Byzantine Rite, Melkite tradition became fused with the Arabic language and culture during the Mohammdean expansions.

The Melkites are less than 0.1% of all Roman Catholic communion world wide - so naturally AFP and anti-Israelis hand this doofus a megaphone for AFP to publish in its pro-Arab anti-Israel screed. His statement is theologically back in the 1700's and theologically dead wrong on "extinguishing" God's promises to Jews.

FYI the word is "Supercessionism", and it means that Jesus being around as Messiah canceled the original covenant and all promises attached to it. Vatican II and subsequent official Roman Catholic policy reject this view. Funny thing is this stupid son-of-a-bitch Archbishop is from Newton Mass, not Syria nor Lebanon.

One other quote caught my eye: blamed Israel for the emigration of Christians... ORLY? The Jihadis and violent Mohammedans with their gunplay, terrorism and worship of bloodshed didn't have anything at all to do with it? Really?

I suggest this is something where biased reports may not be all that reliable.

This is merely another collection of rag-heads Arabs in Church clothing exposing their hatefulness towards Jews and Israel.

It would be wise to recall the words of St. John Chrysostom:

"The floors of hell are paved with the skulls of Bishops"

(possibly St Athanasius for you picky types)
Posted by: OldSpook   2010-10-25 21:17  

#6  Pay no attention to the Bishops, guys. Nobody else does.
Posted by: mojo   2010-10-25 13:48  

#5  Damnit.

And STILL, that would not make the 62 or so years against the civilian populace _in_ Israel,

Should read "And STILL, that would not make the 62 years or so of war against the civilian populace _in_ Israel"

Hopefully the reader can get the point.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2010-10-25 12:48  

#4  Finally: I _don't care_ whether the founding of Israel in 1948 was just, or biblically ordained, or not. It could have been unjust. And STILL, that would not make the 62 or so years against the civilian populace _in_ Israel, and against the Sephardic Jews outside Israel who were more or less forced to abandon their homes and move to Israel BY THE ARABS, and the continuation of those efforts to the present day, just.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2010-10-25 12:46  

#3  Upon further rumination, I'm more angry.

The College of Cardinals and their ilk, by protecting such child-raping crossdressing commies as Bernard Law, has wrecked the church in the United States. Trying to subordinate it to Damascus, which this document effectively does, would be the straw that broke the camel's back.

They're going to win another great victory against their infirm pope and wake up the next morning and find out another great schism has begun.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2010-10-25 12:40  

#2  That's the old view. The Catholics don't speak publicly about supercession (I think that's the term, but I'm not up on the latest Catholic theological philosophy) anymore.

I think the term you're looking for is "replacement theology," and I am under the impression that it's not only not the current position of the Church, but that the current Pope is not enamored of the idea.

But... he's very advanced in years, and those who disagree with him appear to be trying to take advantage of that fact. "Quick! Let's rush this through before anyone notices what we're doing!"
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2010-10-25 11:08  

#1  They've been sold the line, that just get rid of Israel, and everything will go back to normal and Lebanon will be able to go back to being a free society.

Except it's now a part of Syria, which never had a history of being a free society since way before the founding of the modern state of Israel. The states in the area have been slowly bleeding away their Christian population since well before the founding of the State of Israel. Middle Eastern Christians have been emigrating to the United States since the time when it was the Ottoman Empire and they were moving to the English Colonies in America.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2010-10-25 11:01  

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