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Hispanics abandon Arizona, fleeing economy, immigration law
2010-06-12
Arizona's hard-hitting immigration law is driving Hispanics out of the state weeks before the controversial law goes into effect.
What a coincidence. It might suggest to the weak-minded that maybe the two are related.
Although concrete figures are not available, anecdotal evidence suggests Hispanics, both legal residents and illegal immigrants, are starting to flee.
Legal? Oh for heaven's sake. I call BS. I'll bet you thought I wasn't paying attention.
Schools in Hispanic neighborhoods are reporting abnormal enrollment drops, and businesses that serve Hispanics also report that business is down, according to a USA Today report published Wednesday.
Dang. Might have to put up signs in english and maybe even hire english-speaking employees, too.
The report suggests that the immigration law is compounding demographic trends that have already significantly curtailed illegal immigration during the past two years. The bad economy has been the primary deterrent to many Hispanic immigrants seeking to enter Arizona, says Jeffrey Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington.
Maybe Obama is onto something here. Much more of this and every last one of them will hop back over the fence to where the grass is greener. Maybe I will too. I'm sure they'll accept me as a worker there. I'll do the jobs they won't.
"If you have a bad economy and a hostile environment, then that's likely to cause people to think twice about coming, and possibly even to leave," Mr. Passel says.

Arizona's new immigration law requires that police conducting routine traffic stops or other checks ask people about their immigration status if there is "reasonable suspicion" that they're in the country illegally.
What? No insurance card? Let's see your fake ID.
The law also makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally or to disrupt traffic when hiring day laborers, regardless of a worker's immigration status. It would also become a crime for illegal immigrants to solicit work.
Whoa, that's as bad as Mexico's immigration law!
Critics contend the law could lead to racial profiling of Hispanics. It could also force an exodus of scared immigrants -- legal and illegal. Nearly 100,000 illegal immigrants left Arizona after it passed a 2007 law that penalized businesses that hired them, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
I don't care if they get racially profiled. Make them go away.
The importance of the economy
Not important. We don't have one.
Yet the economy is a far more powerful factor in immigration, says David Gutierrez, a professor of immigration history, at the University of California San Diego.

Arizona's immigrant population, which is more than 90 percent Mexican, has already been leveling off for two years now, due to the recession.
Just leveling off? What the hell does it take to make them go away? Maybe if we stopped giving each family thousands of dollars each month in welfare.
"The economy is always the primary factor in determining migration flows," says Professor Gutierrez. "It might appear as if these laws are turning back demographic tide in Arizona, but economic forces are a much more important aspect of that development recently."
Bull$hit. It's the welfare, stupid. And the possibility of having everything stripped away and having your sorry a$$ thrown in jail.
The Pew Hispanic Center reports a 40 to 45 percent drop in people coming to the US from Mexico, says Passel. That's supported by data on border apprehensions, which have dropped 25 percent for two years in a row, he adds.
Well, they're still coming. That's bad.
What's more, more Hispanics have been leaving Arizona since the recession began.

A recent Census report suggests roughly 40,000 Hispanics left the state in 2008. About 450,000 Mexicans return to Mexico from around the world, but "those numbers have been flat as a pancake for three years now," Passel says.
Around the world? Hahaha! Stop it! Hahaha! You're killing me! Hahaha!
It's more likely, they're migrating within the US, says Gutierrez.
Certainly none of those 450,000 folks who returned from Mexico worldwide came from AZ. No way. Pay no attention to that number. They all flew back from Vietnam, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iceland, Germany, Poland, Israel, Haiti, Canada, Sudan, Pakistan, India, China, North Korea, Elbonia, etc.. Lots of spanish-speakers over there, you know.
"It's got to be an exceedingly difficult decision [to leave]," he says. "Once they return to Mexico, it's much harder to come back. It's much more likely we're seeing internal migration."
Harder my a$$.
Most Hispanics who flee Arizona will join friends, family, or other Hispanic communities in California, Texas, New Mexico, and other states with large Hispanic populations.
Follow the welfare, folks.
For his part, Gutierrez is skeptical of claims that the law will begin an exodus. "I don't see a historical trend that has been in place for 100 years will be reversed because you've got a few hyper-conservative white legislators trying to turn back the clock, turn back the tides of history."

Any loss, however, will be a loss for the Arizona economy, Gutierrez suggests.
Well, I "suggest" it won't.
"Latinos...are a highly flexible, highly exploitable work force, a buffer to economic downturns," he says. "Many of the industries here -- agriculture, service industries, low-end manufacturing, construction -- are massively dependent on undocumented workers.
And undocumented welfare? Not cheap.
"If I were able to conduct an experiment and pay all of Arizona's undocumented workers to not work for two weeks, the economy would come to a screeching, crashing halt instantaneously."
Try it. I dare you. Don't forget to factor in welfare when you do your P&Ls.
Posted by:gorb

#16  Too late imo. "Demographics rule under "one man",one vote". Time is short to rethink whether the U.S. is a "Republic" or a pure "Democracy".
Posted by: borgboy   2010-06-12 18:45  

#15  I'm still loling, Ship. You is funny and riteshus.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2010-06-12 15:48  

#14  MOAB the troll on aisle #2.

d00d you ain't seen trollin yet.

I eat dim-wits like you for brunch.
Youz is what we is call a Moran.

Unless you is a spai... in which we just lol and send you to China!


FUCK OFF.
Posted by: Shipman   2010-06-12 15:41  

#13  Maybe Obama is onto something here. Much more of this and every last one of them will hop back over the fence to where the grass is greener. Maybe I will too. I'm sure they'll accept me as a worker there. I'll do the jobs they won't.

Gorb, I don't think Obama cares much for these kinds of laws. He sees his base of undocumented potential voters drying up as the result of laws like Arizonas.
Posted by: JohnQC   2010-06-12 14:29  

#12  #10. The first fundamental of government is to provide security in your person, your family, and your property. Any government that fails to do that is not legitimate. Seattle is part of the problem. Aiding and abetting. They are no better than politicians that aided and abetted the Klan.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2010-06-12 14:24  

#11  "give them 364 day sentences"

Now that just doesn't make sense. If the illegal has committed (another) crime here, he should be placed on a rocket to wherever they came from. To keep a criminal here benefits only the employment of prison guards. Do the prison guard unions hold a lot of sway in Washington state?
Posted by: crosspatch   2010-06-12 13:36  

#10  Latest craziness from up here Seattle-way: the city council has changed the way they will book 'suspected undocumented persons' into jail; to give them 364 day sentences vs 365. that 365 day evidently triggers notification to the Feds and the libtards in Seattle can't have that.
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2010-06-12 12:44  

#9  To start with, based on school enrollment, legal Mexican-Americans are not leaving. Those illegals that are leaving are going to Texas, first choice.

Illegals *are* leaving, but "last in, first out" is the order, with recent arrivals leaving first, and old timers trying to tough it out. Parents with young children are far more willing to leave than those with children near to graduating high school.

Illegals are also scared to death of just being "thrown across the border" into the chaos of northern Mexico, figuring that they need to go all the way to Mexico City for relative safety. From Nogales, that is about 1400 miles, the equivalent of traveling from Los Angeles to Little Rock, AR.

Politics is getting interesting is AZ as well, with the governor, Jan Brewer, facing a primary challenge from the State Treasurer, Dean Martin (really), who is now calling for Joe Arpaio tent cities to hold illegals until they are deported.

This is a reaction to US Atty General Holder saying that ICE may not accept illegals from AZ. That being, "Fine, if you don't want them, we will store them in tents, in the desert, in summer, until you do."

Finally, State Senator Pearce, who was responsible for the original bill, is going to create another bill to reject "anchor babies", despite the 14th Amendment. That is, to deny them citizenship.

He is crafty, so he will probably, as with the first bill, tie that bill to federal law, so for it to be overturned would ruin a bunch of federal law and judicial precedent.

It is going to be interesting.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2010-06-12 11:51  

#8  "If I were able to conduct an experiment and pay all of Arizona's undocumented workers to not work for two weeks, the economy would come to a screeching, crashing halt instantaneously."

Of course. But substitute women, or teen-agers, or people with blue eyes, and the result would be exactly the same screeching halt. No economy deals well when a substantial number of workers suddenly stop working. The thing about the illegals, though, it that many of them are serving other illegals, many are doing things people can do for themselves like gardeners or maids, and many are doing things for which legal workers are readily available like small construction projects. In other words, the net economic hit is likely to be less than claimed.
Posted by: trailing wife   2010-06-12 11:50  

#7  Â…because you've got a few hyper-conservative white legislators trying to turn back the clockÂ…

Here’s a little personal observation…for what it’s worth. Whenever you hear someone use the old “turn back the clock” cliché…they’re full o’ shit.
Posted by: DepotGuy   2010-06-12 11:41  

#6  A recent Census report suggests roughly 40,000 Hispanics left the state in 2008.

The US Census says Arizona has 2.0M Hispanics and 500,000 illegal aliens. If every Hispanic leaving AZ was an illegal then it would take 12.5 years for them all to vamoose.

About 450,000 Mexicans return to Mexico from around the world, but "those numbers have been flat as a pancake for three years now," Passel says.

And if every returning Mexican was an illegal alien from the USA, it would still take 16-22 years (7-10M illegals) for them all to return, assuming no new ones crossed into the US in the mean time.
Posted by: ed   2010-06-12 10:36  

#5  Maybe the illegals finally realized that despite what the government of Mexico says they have gone into America illegally and their Catholic guilt wouldn't allow them to stay once they knew.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2010-06-12 10:25  

#4  Bye Bye, See ya later, have a safe walk, talke care, and finally the guests that would not lave are going.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2010-06-12 10:14  

#3  MOAB the troll on aisle #2.
Posted by: twobyfour   2010-06-12 08:38  

#2  If you're that damn scared of Messicans I suggest you elect a President not afraid to fucking MOAB the monsters of the City of Mexico. Nip it, nip it, nip it!

Also: Ireland.
Posted by: Shipman   2010-06-12 06:00  

#1  adios amigos.
Posted by: Betty Jerenter8589   2010-06-12 01:56  

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