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Israel Denies It Offered South Africa Warheads
2010-05-25
This is part of the campaign to convince the rest of the world that Israeli nukes are more dangerous than Iranian nukes. It's almost comical, since the only way the Israelis would use their nukes (if they have them of course) is if their very existence was threatened. Whereas Short Round and the Mad Mullahs™ will use theirs on Israel, thus creating that same said existential threat. But the NYT is gullible -- their ideology makes them that way. And so this article.
Given the number of physicists over there, they have no excuse not to have an entire series of cutting edge nuclear device.
JERUSALEM -- The office of Israel's president, Shimon Peres, strongly denied Monday that Mr. Peres, as Israel's defense minister, offered to sell nuclear warheads to South Africa in 1975, as reported by The Guardian.
Good lord, The Guardian got their facts wrong about Israel?!? I wish I were shocked.
Dan Meridor, Israel's deputy prime minister and minister of intelligence and atomic energy, told reporters on Monday that he had no particular knowledge of what went on in the 1970s, as he was "not in business" then, but that he believed Mr. Peres.

Yossi Beilin, a former leftist minister, also dismissed the newspaper article and the book on which it was based, "The Unspoken Alliance: Israel's Secret Relationship With Apartheid South Africa," by Sasha Polakow-Suransky.

"The article does not concretely say that Israel wanted to sell nuclear warheads. It is a conclusion," Mr. Beilin told Israel Radio. "The book itself does not say this explicitly, and I think that the president's denial puts an end to the subject."

Israel has a longstanding policy of nuclear ambiguity, neither confirming nor denying that it has nuclear weapons, though it is widely believed to have developed a large arsenal.

The president's denial was unequivocal, stating that "there exists no basis in reality for the claims" that "Israel negotiated with South Africa the exchange of nuclear weapons." The Guardian article, the president's office added, was "based on the selective interpretation of South African documents and not on concrete facts."

The Guardian said its reporting was based on the "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975. The documents, it said, were uncovered by Mr. Polakow-Suransky in research for the book, and showed that South Africa's defense minister, P. W. Botha, had asked for nuclear-capable Jericho missiles with the "correct payload," Mr. Polakow-Suransky said in an interview with Al Jazeera, and that Mr. Peres had responded by offering them "in three sizes."

The "three sizes," The Guardian stated, "are believed to refer to the conventional, chemical and nuclear weapons." That, however, was not detailed in any of the documents shown, though Mr. Polakow-Suransky said the documents made clear that the South Africans had interest in Jericho missiles, "only if they carried a nuclear warhead."

"Sure, there was some kind of cooperation, and there was talk about weapons," said Ephraim Asculai, who worked at the Israel Atomic Energy Commission for over 40 years, and who retired in 2001. But to conclude that the "three sizes" necessarily referred to weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear warheads, was a long stretch, he said.

In an interview with the South African Press Association, Pik Botha, who served as South Africa's foreign minister in the waning years of apartheid, also questioned the article's claims. "I doubt it very much," said Mr. Botha, who is not related to P. W. Botha. "I doubt whether such an offer was ever made. I think I would have known about it."

Mr. Peres, an elder statesman, was responsible for establishing Israel's nuclear program with help from France in the 1950s.

Israelis acknowledge that there was cooperation with South Africa -- what Mr. Beilin, the former minister, called "an unholy alliance that Israel, in its isolation, forged with the apartheid regime."

Shlomo Brom, a senior research fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University, said it was well known that there had been cooperation between Israel and South Africa on ballistic missiles. "They paid, we developed them, then they bought," said Mr. Brom, who served as defense attaché at Israel's embassy in South Africa from 1988 to 1990. Mr. Brom said that Israel had also "probably" received uranium from South Africa.

But he said he had a hard time believing that Mr. Peres was trying to sell nuclear warheads to the South Africans in 1975.
Posted by:Steve White

#5  oops, forgot to mention the choppers Israel sold us, more than half were no good, cannabalised. As allies, they sucked, good for getting their own out. Their lack of interest, along with their bullsh4t masters in the USA have pheucked Africa. And now it's irrelevant, the Chi-Coms are getting their booty.
Posted by: rhodesiafever   2010-05-25 22:29  

#4  *PIMF, specifics, please...
Posted by: Rhodesiafever   2010-05-25 20:57  

#3  And Southern Africa is relevant.... because? Spefics, please.
Posted by: Rhodesiafever   2010-05-25 20:54  

#2  A little history here : the uranium that Britain used to make their first bomb came from South Africa; half of the top British bomb scientists were South African; those scientists all went back home to South Africa at the end of the initial British bomb effort.
Also, the South Africans dismantled and destroyed their entire nuke arsenal, and related equipment, in 1993, just before the Afrikaners handed over the country to the ANC.
Posted by: Shieldwolf   2010-05-25 16:44  

#1  The South Africans weren't looking to buy, they were looking to build their own. Which they did, with some Israeli help. I agree with Steve's take on it.
Posted by: Pstanley   2010-05-25 08:51  

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