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Home Front: WoT
US government doesn't know how to handle Islamists
2010-02-07
After the worst military base massacre in U.S. history, officials acknowledged that they failed to "connect the dots" -- the shooter had been corresponding with an imam tied to al-Qaeda and had condemned the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as a war against Islam. But Fort Hood gunman Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan wasn't the only one working on a Texas Army base the day of the shooting who had links to radical Islamists.

At Fort Bliss, an experienced military trainer was teaching soldiers about his Muslim faith. He, too, had denounced government counterterrorism efforts, and public records show he and some of his closest associates had ties to terrorism suspects. But when The Dallas Morning News first inquired about the instructor, Louay Safi, military officials praised him. Only later did they say that Safi had been suspended from working on military bases pending a continuing criminal inquiry.

Safi is a senior official of the Islamic Society of North America, the country's largest Muslim organization. ISNA has been consulted for years by Washington and is described as a partner in the fight against terrorism. In addition to serving as ISNA's communications director, Safi runs its program certifying Muslim chaplains for work in the U.S. military and prison system. He publicly denounces terrorism and advocates peace.

Safi was also named by government prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in one terrorism case in 2005. His last two employers were implicated in other government terrorism investigations while he worked for them. He was never charged, nor included among the targets of those investigations. But Safi has called the widespread raids on Muslim organizations after 9/11 "a campaign against Islam" -- a term that 9/11 Commission director Philip Zelikow says is part of "the jihadi narrative."

Safi has also complained that Muslims are treated differently from Christians and Jews when they do wrong. They are unfairly identified by and questioned about their religion, he says, treatment that can lead to isolation and aggression. "The extremist ideology responsible for violent outbursts is often rooted in the systematic demonization of marginalized groups," Safi said in an Internet posting after the Fort Hood shooting.

Some view Safi's rhetoric as incendiary. Zuhdi Jasser is a Navy veteran who founded the American Islamic Forum for Democracy and has spoken publicly about the dangers of politicizing Islam. He said Safi's "separatist mindset of the world against Muslims" is the "mindset that created Hasan."

Safi would not answer most questions from The News. But in a brief interview, he said the legal assaults on him and his associates even as Washington sought their advice represented the government's divided approach to Islam. "There are those who are prejudiced and would like to deny Muslims their rightful place in this country," Safi said, "and there are people who are more open-minded. It's as simple as that."

Safi's case, however, is anything but simple. It illustrates not only the divisions in dealing with Islam but also the difficulty in knowing which dots to connect. "You have a schizophrenic government and a schizophrenic institution," Zelikow said, referring to ISNA. "The schizophrenia cuts right into how the government views the whole Fort Hood affair. We don't know whether to treat him [Hasan] as part of an international conspiracy or as a lone wolf who happened to have gotten solace from a radical imam."
Much, much more at link. Well worth reading.
Posted by:ryuge

#9  Pulling no punches heres my take:

DADT, Pregnant Women, Alcoholics, and Muslims. Did I mention Alcoholics? Re-read that: Alcoholics. That is not a typo. Because if the military has to send you to "rehab" because you can't function you can be gone from your unit for weeks and/or months. Like a mini-vacay or almost like a trimester of being pregnant. One virulent alcoholic in my last and final duty station was away for I think two months between leave and rehabbing it? Not that he was ever really "there" even when he was.

Notice anything? They all want more back than what they give. (Thats not even including any threat they pose to themselves and others) How will Officers hopefully combat the PC problem? Simple. Use tools at their disposal. That being vigilance. Knowing your co-workers. Knowing how they think, act, and not just what they say. Sun Tzu kind of stuff. Counseling/ merit/ performance reviews/ JAG/ OERS, etc. If Officers want to boot somebody guaranteed they can do it if they are tacticians worth their salt. (Many are, many arent)By the same token if someone wants out bad enough, they can find a way out. It just calls for vigilance. There is a reg for everything. Everyone makes mistakes minor and some make major ones. Magnify the mistakes, build a case, get them out of commission. I have a very Machiavellian view of the Military because I served and being female, had to maneuover around some b.s. to survive. BTW, I completed my entire contract and left when it expired because I didn't want to re-up. Alot of stuff going on in the service would make you sit up and take notice. They are breaking Regs all over the place.

Posted by: Ulinegum Dark Lord of the Munchkins9474   2010-02-07 23:15  

#8  pan 49? any ideas.........
Posted by: 746   2010-02-07 22:16  

#7  excellent points.... how do we keep the senior officer corps from going PC?
Posted by: 746   2010-02-07 22:15  

#6  Joe, the CIA 'moonlighting' was a one time deal in the 1990s IIUC.
Posted by: lotp   2010-02-07 21:07  

#5  As for MAJOR HASAN, to paraphrase various NETTERS.POSTERS > IFF THE CIA CAN ALLOW ITS EMPLOYEES-AGENTS TO "MOONLIGHT", WHY NOT THE FBI, ATF, + USDOD, etc Fed Agencies.

E.g. IFF MAFIA = "LEGAL" CRIME = FELONY-PENAL CRIME(S) = MALICES AFORETHOUGHT COMMITTED + PROTECTED WIDIN PUBLIC LAW + BUREACRACY, WHY NOT "LEGAL" TREASON, OR ANYTHING ELSE???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2010-02-07 20:57  

#4  Compare wid DAILY TIMES.PK > HILLARY: AL QAEDA THREAT TO US GRAVER THAN NUCLEAR IRAN. AQ = symbolic of NON-TRADITIONAL ORGANZ STATE OR GROUP TERROR NETWORKS.

* NOT-AN-INTERNATIONALLY-RECOGNIZED-SOVEREIGN-COUNTRY/POLITY
* Dozens, 00's, to FEW 000's of armed Militants, $$$ Suppors per Group.
* NUKE, WMD-ARMED, OR HAS RELIABLE ACCESS TO SAME VIA OTHER GROUPS, TO INCLUD ADVANCED MILSYS = C4ISR, etc.

IOW, THEIR MULTIPLE WIVES, CHILDREN, LOW-TECH TENTS + CAMELS, ETC. ARE PARKED OUTSIDE THEIR SPACE/HI-TECHY, AIR-CONDITIONED, "READY" NUCLEAR MISSLE STATIONS OR COMBAT TRAILERS???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2010-02-07 20:48  

#3  How to handle Islamists: Well know from the leader of the enemy that Islam respects the strong horse, so perhaps we should not act weak at every opportunity hoping to ingratiate ourselves.

We should also make it clear that since people keep telling us that Jihadists are not acting in the name of Islam that we will not treat them with the respect due of true Muslims and stop coddling their every need.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2010-02-07 17:35  

#2  Chum is always a good way to dispose of Islamists.
Posted by: 3dc   2010-02-07 15:47  

#1  You have a field commander over ruled for making obvious what any middle grade officer and NCO knew for years of females exploiting pregnancy to avoid hard and hazardous duty. Given that for thousands of years, soldiers who used a self inflicted wound to achieve the same avoidance have faced severe punishment or death.

You have the PC attitude demonstrated in dealing with Muslims who have clearly shown behaviors that pose a threat.

Now they want to change DADT. The PC attitude that corrupts the senior officer corps will insure that acts of adultery, sexual harassment, and fraternization that get straights punished and kicked out will get gays a 'look the other way' treatment as well. We're about to destroy small unit integrity. Anyone who was in the Army during the end of the Vietnam era and just afterward, knows the destructive and corrosive effect of the loss of small unit integrity. It took years to rebuild.

And the common thread is the political corruption of the senior officer corps to be handmaidens to PC whims rather than have the integrity to resign or retire to acts one knows will undermine good order and discipline.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2010-02-07 09:51  

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