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Home Front: Culture Wars
Dissident Lutherans: Bullying over gays
2009-12-20
A decision to ordain actively gay clergy has caused deep fissures in the nation's largest Lutheran church group, with some traditional Lutherans saying they have been subjected to threats and retaliation as they consider breaking away.

Several disaffected members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) say the decision made at the church's national convention in Minneapolis in August could prompt a major exodus from one of America's biggest Protestant denominations.

"I wouldn't even begin to tell you how many thousands [of calls] I've gotten," said Paull Spring, chairman of Lutheran Coalition for Renewal, or CORE, a national coalition based on traditional values. His group said last month that it cannot remain inside the 4.7-million-member ELCA and will form a new synod.

He is not alone.

"I am receiving every single week dozens of phone calls, e-mails, from pastors of the largest Lutheran churches in ELCA," said the Rev. Walter Kallestad, senior pastor of Community Church of Joy in Glendale, Ariz., who left the synod after having been "rostered" as a minister with the ELCA for 31 years. "I've answered hundreds ... from congregations looking to transition out of the ELCA."

For reasons of church structure - Lutheran congregations retain their property as long as they are affiliated with a Lutheran synod - the fallout from the ELCA's decision isn't likely to lead to the kind of court fights that followed the U.S. Episcopal Church's 2003 ordination of an openly gay bishop.

But the splits within the ELCA, which is more than twice the Episcopal Church's size, are getting ugly in their own way. Pastors taking their churches out of the ELCA are making charges of "unethical, immoral and in some cases, illegal" acts by bishops and other officials, Mr. Kallestad said.

"I'm talking to some pastors and leaders from many states around the nation, whose [ELCA] bishops are becoming very hostile," Mr. Kallestad said.

The Rev. Mark Gehrke, of Faith Lutheran Church in Moline, Ill., said that "if you do not agree with the direction of the ELCA, you are ... bullied or ostracized or threatened. The threat has been to even remove me and suspend me from ministry," he said.

In early September, he said, he was leading meetings and seeking ways to leave the ELCA. His bishop heard of this and sent a three-man team to address the problem.
Posted by:Fred

#12  Whiskey Mike - I've been getting that for the past few days as well and I've been commenting here for years. Right now the counter is at '3' and has been for days. I haven't cleared by cookies or anything. I do, however, post from a number of different computers.

I also get the 'We're sorry, but only human beings are allowed to comment on Rantburg. If you're a human being, please take this simple test to prove it. If you're not, get lost.' Comment Panel. (however it will post if I don't select a picture description.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2009-12-20 23:32  

#11  Whiskey Mike, are you on a new computer, or did you perhaps clear your cookies? That might have reset your comment counter, maybe, perhaps. (I don't actually have a clue how Fred's code works -- my own moderator handbook kept to the basics: how to dump trolls, how to send naughty posters to the sinktrap, that kind of thing.) Because I know you've been commenting, however sparingly, for years, my dear.
Posted by: trailing wife   2009-12-20 22:30  

#10  Frank, that's Fred's super neat code in action LOL
Posted by: lotp   2009-12-20 18:45  

#9  This kind of crap is why I won't belong to any "organized" faith. It doesn't take more than a few years before the "organized" part overcomes the faith-based part. Jesus said "wherever two or three shall gather in my name, there I will be also". He never said anything about the Second Orthodox Holy-Roller Ecumenical Church of Whatever being a part of it.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2009-12-20 14:44  

#8  mine says:
"you have commented 34395 times on Rantburg. 272 were funny. 87 were intelligent."
Posted by: Frank G   2009-12-20 13:47  

#7  ""you have commented 1 times on Rantburg" thing?"

One time, WM?

You're a piker. ;-p

I'm up to 10,765.

Of course, that's because I've got a motor mouth keyboard - your mileage may vary. :-D

Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2009-12-20 12:58  

#6  I've ben coming here for years now, it's been here all along, you just now noticed it is all.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2009-12-20 12:47  

#5  #1 Sounds like union tactics.

And is anyone else getting the "you have commented 1 times on Rantburg" thing? This has been going on for days.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike 2009-12-20 04:46


Time for SEIU to step in and work their magic.

Whiskey Mike, I've seen the "comment header" for some time also. I figured the Mods were trying to weed out the more odious trolls.
Posted by: WolfDog   2009-12-20 11:59  

#4  so, plaid flannel robes, walletchains, and comfortable shoes will be the new holy attire?
Posted by: Frank G   2009-12-20 11:49  

#3  Also, a couple of top church officials have very militant Lesbian daughters who tend to dominate their parents.
Posted by: 3dc   2009-12-20 10:57  

#2  According to my dad (the retired rev) there are only 2<->3 male gays waiting to serve but a huge boatload of Lesbians.

Posted by: 3dc   2009-12-20 10:53  

#1  Sounds like union tactics.

And is anyone else getting the "you have commented 1 times on Rantburg" thing? This has been going on for days.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike   2009-12-20 04:46  

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