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Economy
US May Face 'Armageddon' If China, Japan Don't Buy Debt
2009-09-25
The US is too dependent on Japan and China buying up the country's debt and could face severe economic problems if that stops, Tiger Management founder and chairman Julian Robertson told CNBC. "It's almost Armageddon if the Japanese and Chinese don't buy our debt,” Robertson said in an interview. "I don't know where we could get the money. I think we've let ourselves get in a terrible situation and I think we ought to try and get out of it."

Robertson said inflation is a big risk if foreign countries were to stop buying bonds.

“If the Chinese and Japanese stop buying our bonds, we could easily see [inflation] go to 15 to 20 percent,” he said. “It's not a question of the economy. It's a question of who will lend us the money if they don't. Imagine us getting ourselves in a situation where we're totally dependent on those two countries. It's crazy.”

Robertson said while he doesnÂ’t think the Chinese will stop buying US bonds, the Japanese may eventually be forced to sell some of their long-term bonds.

“That's much worse than not buying,” he said. “The other thing is, they're buying almost exclusively short-term debt. And that's what we are offering, because we can't sell the long-term debt. And you know, the history has been that people who borrow short term really get burned.”

The only way to avoid the problem, he said, is to "grow and save our way out of it."

"The U.S. has to quit spending, cut back, start saving, and scale backward," Robertson said. "Until that happens, I don't think we're anywhere near out of the woods.”

Robertson is not very optimistic about the short-term. “We're in for some real rough sledding,” he said. “ I really do think the recession is at least temporarily over. But we haven't addressed so many of our problems and we are borrowing so much money that we can't possibly pay it back, unless the Chinese and Japanese buy our bonds.”
Posted by:Steve White

#8  BP, I wasn't wishing for inflation, I was pointing out that it is the only way out of the debt trap. It's not that it's a deliberate policy option either. It will happen as an automatic consequence of a depreciating USD, UKP, etc.
Posted by: phil_b   2009-09-25 17:55  

#7  Wishing for inflation is not a sensible idea.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2009-09-25 17:18  

#6  In Q2 the Fed accounted for nearly half of all treasuries purchases. ($164 billion of total of $339 billion) Nobody wants to long term Treasuries, so the Fed are forced to.
Problem is that the Fed was given $300 billion for quantitative easing, but have only $10 billion left and that could be gone in a few weeks. So who will buy treasuries long term then?
As the Chinese say, when they want to curse you, "may you live in interesting times".
Posted by: tipper   2009-09-25 14:09  

#5  The only large source left of cheap labor would seem to be Africa. What's the chance of an economic boom there as Multi-nationals rush to build new factories to exploit the labor situation?




Nah, I don't think so either.
Posted by: AlanC   2009-09-25 09:50  

#4  One consequence will be a massive appreciation of the Yuan and severe problems for China's export led growth model.

The Chinese for years refused to float the Yuan to stoke exports. Now instead of gradual adjustments they'll face a virtual collapse of their export trade and buyers who'll move on to other labor sources [re: Southeast Asia, et al]. Their only 'hope' is that they can generate internal demand to compensate or join the movement of capital to cheaper labor markets. I wouldn't bet on that.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2009-09-25 08:30  

#3  American Obama bucks (AOB)coming soon. Exchange rate for one AOB:

AOB to 1 Euro = .25
AOB to 1 USD = .07 (until expiration of exchange)
Posted by: Besoeker in Duitsland   2009-09-25 01:27  

#2  I taunt leftists with Chinese and Japanese savers caused the financial crisis and it's largely true. Excess savings results in excess lending.

There is no way the USA, UK and several other countries will ever pay these debts and the way out is a bout of high inflation.

One consequence will be a massive appreciation of the Yuan and severe problems for China's export led growth model.

And while the implication is that being unable to repay these borrowings is a bad thing for the USA, UK etc, the main consequence is that future borrowing will be a lot harder/more expensive, which many of us would see as a good thing.
Posted by: phil_b   2009-09-25 01:25  

#1  To Obama and the rest of the America hating people in congress - this is a feature and not a bug.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2009-09-25 00:27  

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