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Home Front: Politix
Dead at Home, F-22 Looks for Market Abroad
2009-09-13
A Senate panel is pushing to repeal a 1998 law that bans the export of the F-22, the stealthy fighter that Secretary Robert Gates put on the chopping block earlier this year. If the proposal, passed by the Senate Appropriations Committee, becomes law, it would offer a lifeline to Lockheed MartinÂ’s production line, which is otherwise schedule for closure.

“Japan, Israel and Australia have shown interest in buying the supersonic, radar-evading F-22 Raptor, designed to destroy enemy air defenses in the first days of any conflict and clear the way for other missions,” reports Reuters.

Japan, in particular, is considered the major market for the f-22. “The Japanese have expressed interest in fielding some Raptors, and Japanese procurement of forty to sixty aircraft would go far to bolster Japan’s ability to deter a belligerent North Korea and other prospective security challenges in Northeast Asia,” says Barry Watts, of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in a new report looking at the F-22.

Selling the F-22 abroad would still not be easy — the aircraft would have to be modified to protect some of the most sensitive technology, and cost would certainly be a factor. Some estimates place the export price tag at $250 million per aircraft.
Posted by:Steve White

#20  F-22?

I want one of these:

But I read that the current administration is going to cut back NASA (JFK doing warp speed in his grave), so I'm not holding my oxygen.


/Pegasus, FTW
Posted by: Mizzou Mafia   2009-09-13 19:39  

#19  I find it somewhat amusing that some don't think we need the F-22. Most of the aircraft that we like so well would not survive the start of the air battle with a developed nation. Until the skies and AA systems are cleared most of the rest of the aircraft are worthless. The F-35 is NOT on line yet and who knows what "warts" it will have. I do know that the F-35 is so loud that I suspect there will be problems with basing in built up areas. I would be interested the know what the Navy pilots think of single engine operation at sea (with a newly developed engine).
Posted by: tipover   2009-09-13 18:49  

#18  Obama will NEVER allow us to sell it to Israel
Posted by: Frank G   2009-09-13 15:38  

#17  If the F-22 was sold to Israel I have to think they would be willing to trade it or data about it to Russia or China if the price was right. Say, in exchange for their causing an end to the Iranian nuclear weapons program. No idea if such really COULD be done, but am sure it would be considered. Not only that, but if it could (verifiably) be done, it would likely be a good bargain for all of us. F-22 is great technology but for the last war (the one that wasn't really fought on the battlefield), not the next one.
Posted by: Glenmore   2009-09-13 15:35  

#16  [funky skunk has been pooplisted.]
Posted by: funky skunk   2009-09-13 14:22  

#15  [funky skunk has been pooplisted.]
Posted by: funky skunk   2009-09-13 14:21  

#14  I'm not.

There's enuf stupid here in the Burg without having someone play Teh Ironickal Hipstah and post deliberate- stupid.

Knock it off.
Posted by: Pappy   2009-09-13 13:33  

#13  I'm pleased you liked it the first 2 times.
Posted by: .5MT   2009-09-13 13:20  

#12  I for one have never trustered the tropical-poms, the japs, or the juice, sure as hell they will steel our sekrets forumla and sell it to the godless commies.


It was semi-amusing the first two times, Ship.

Knock it off.
Posted by: Pappy   2009-09-13 12:28  

#11  The real secrets are the electronics; the airframe and powerplant stuff is already dated tech.
So we just ell them a 'daily driver' and it will be up to them to plug in the latest technocrap.
The IAF is still upgrading Skyhawks and Phantoms via the electronic route; the airframe and engines are still capable of getting the job done. I don't see a problem selling this bird. Especially since we sell the F-16 and the F-18 to lots of folks.
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2009-09-13 12:21  

#10  For Sale: Baddest ass fighter jet to ever exist.

I'd say sell it to the Japanese and Australians just to give China something else to worry about. On top of that, these things are going to be expensive to upgrade over the next 20+ years and having other countries own them could help spread some of those R&D costs.
Posted by: Mike N.   2009-09-13 12:00  

#9  I for one have never trustered the tropical-poms, the japs, or the juice, sure as hell they will steel our sekrets forumla and sell it to the godless commies.

Thank gawd for Canada, all we gotta do for them is up-grade their BOMARCs and they be happy.

Hail BACK BACKON!
Posted by: .5MT   2009-09-13 11:19  

#8  OK, look at who's getting being shopped for with this A/C...the Aussies, the Japanese, or the Israelis. 1), the full potential of the airframe won't be delivered to the final customer, it USG secret and it's also Proprietary. 2) Are the Aussies, Japanese, or the Israelis going to sell it to the Commies? If the US doesn't want this tech, then there are 3x very friendly countries that do, all of which will allow us to work the kinks out. Good deal.
Posted by: MoreScotch4me   2009-09-13 09:49  

#7  Hell I been thinking about this for ten minutes or so....

This damn thing is too sekret even for the USAF, best to destroy the tooling now before it falls into the hands of the commies who will turn it against us and plow under every 3rd American boy.
Posted by: .5MT   2009-09-13 06:54  

#6  Don't sell anything to anyone for any reason, else the chinks and russ will get it.

That goes double for the juice, poms and japs.
Posted by: .5MT   2009-09-13 06:40  

#5  went to an airshow last summer and saw this bird in action... totally awesome.

sucks that Gates is a slippery weasel ad axed the thing.

seriously, it gave me wood to watch this fly.
Posted by: abu do you love    2009-09-13 05:41  

#4  Well, Lockheed Martin's production line would have to close otherwise. Who's making the decisions, patriotic bureaucrats who want what's best for America, or people who don't even bother disguising the bribes they take?
Posted by: gromky   2009-09-13 03:39  

#3  But, but..Gates keeps saying that the F-22 is old tech that we don't need anymore!
Posted by: tipover   2009-09-13 03:28  

#2  Given cost/performance, Darth, they probably do.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2009-09-13 02:42  

#1  No. Hell no. Fucking hell no.

DO. NOT. SELL. IT.

Unless you want Russia or China to have it.
Posted by: DarthVader   2009-09-13 00:55  

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