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Most Britons want troops withdrawn from Afghanistan | |
2009-09-10 | |
Sixty per cent of Britons want the UK military to withdraw from or reduce its presence in Afghanistan, according to an international poll released today which showed that the British are the most hostile in western Europe to their troops' presence in Afghanistan.
In a week that has seen the Afghan war intrude for the first time into Germany's election campaign because of the civilian casualties from a German-ordered air strike, three out of four Germans did not believe the western effort would stabilise Afghanistan. Four out of five polled across Europe rejected Barack Obama's pleas for greater troop contributions from Nato allies in Europe for Afghanistan. The survey's results, contrasting British and European gloom on Afghanistan with a more optimistic and interventionist attitude from the Americans, came in the middle of a worsening crisis that prompted Gordon Brown, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, and President Nicolas Sarkozy of France to issue a joint call for a major international conference by the end of the year. In a letter to Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, the European leaders hinted at drafting plans for a partial retreat. They called for agreement on "new benchmarks and timelines" and "to set our expectations of ownership and the clear view to hand over responsibility step by step to the Afghans, wherever possible". In a separate British poll by the National Army Museum on attitudes towards the armed forces, 53% of those questioned disagreed with the decision to deploy British troops to Afghanistan, while 25% said they agreed.. The Tory leader, David Cameron, has meanwhile apparently cast doubt on the Afghanistan elections, blaming "naked" irregularities in the poll. In private remarks picked up by a BBC camera crew, he was heard to say that disparities between the number of votes cast and the number of people who voted "could not be right". The comments, made to shadow foreign secretary William Hague, are likely to be interpreted as opening a further gulf between himself and the prime minister on the elections. Cameron was recorded as saying yesterday: "The things that seem to have happened are so naked ... you just saw the number of votes and the number of people who actually turned up at polling stations. It just could not possibly be right." | |
Posted by:Steve White |
#5 Britons' views of the war are shaped by the media. The BBC is a pernicious left-wing propaganda with a virtual monopoly over TV and radio news and expecially political debate. It has done all it can to create a narrative of hopelessness, imminent defeat and to undermine the legitimacy of the conflict in the eyes of the British public. Just as the US media got Barack Obama elected, the BBC in the UK uses its tremendous leverage and lack of opposition to shape the views of the British public. BBC delenda est - only when it has gone, or it is forced to compete on a level playing field, will the British public stop being subjected to its defeatist (and pro-EU) drum beat. |
Posted by: Bulldog 2009-09-10 11:35 |
#4 A nice rant, Oscar, clearly written from the heart and personal experience. We appreciate that kind of thing properly around here. |
Posted by: trailing wife 2009-09-10 11:26 |
#3 The British have long shouldered considerably more than their share of the world's work than their European neighbors. What is changing is that the British are becoming less exceptional and more European. The world will be lead by those who wish to lead it. We should consider the British example carefully. |
Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2009-09-10 07:06 |
#2 Welcome, Oscar. |
Posted by: lotp 2009-09-10 06:42 |
#1 Why do I get the feeling Gordon Brown is saving 'our' withdrawal till near election time. As an ex Royal Marine , Im mortified that bleak pictures get painted by politicians for their own short term gains. its a war for God's sake , against the most vile and violent humans in existence I have fought along side various nations at some point or another under the guise of multi national support and have met and lost so many dear friends , not to the enemy but to the bureaucrats in office pandering to sensitivities of a mixed bunch of short sighted halfwits or worse deranged lunatics . The days of the UK being strong are long gone , drowned in waves upon waves of apathy , vindictiveness and manipulation . Lest we ever forget : Per Mare Per Terram Anyway, just pointing out the blindingly obvious .. rant over |
Posted by: Oscar 2009-09-10 03:56 |