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Britain
Most Britons want troops withdrawn from Afghanistan
2009-09-10
AfghanPollSixty per cent of Britons want the UK military to withdraw from or reduce its presence in Afghanistan, according to an international poll released today which showed that the British are the most hostile in western Europe to their troops' presence in Afghanistan.
That's because their troops are shouldering considerably more than their share of the work, compared to the rest of Western Europe.
A separate British survey showed that a similar figure believed UK troops should never have been deployed in Afghanistan or Iraq. The survey of opinion in 13 countries conducted annually by the German Marshall Fund of the United States found that 41% of Britons wanted troops pulled out of Afghanistan while a further 19% wanted a reduction in troop numbers. All 13 countries polled, including the US, have troops in Afghanistan. The British hostility to the presence there was almost matched by Germany and exceeded in the EU only by Poland, Bulgaria and Romania, according to the Transatlantic Trends survey.

In a week that has seen the Afghan war intrude for the first time into Germany's election campaign because of the civilian casualties from a German-ordered air strike, three out of four Germans did not believe the western effort would stabilise Afghanistan. Four out of five polled across Europe rejected Barack Obama's pleas for greater troop contributions from Nato allies in Europe for Afghanistan.

The survey's results, contrasting British and European gloom on Afghanistan with a more optimistic and interventionist attitude from the Americans, came in the middle of a worsening crisis that prompted Gordon Brown, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, and President Nicolas Sarkozy of France to issue a joint call for a major international conference by the end of the year.

In a letter to Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, the European leaders hinted at drafting plans for a partial retreat. They called for agreement on "new benchmarks and timelines" and "to set our expectations of ownership and the clear view to hand over responsibility step by step to the Afghans, wherever possible".

In a separate British poll by the National Army Museum on attitudes towards the armed forces, 53% of those questioned disagreed with the decision to deploy British troops to Afghanistan, while 25% said they agreed..

The Tory leader, David Cameron, has meanwhile apparently cast doubt on the Afghanistan elections, blaming "naked" irregularities in the poll. In private remarks picked up by a BBC camera crew, he was heard to say that disparities between the number of votes cast and the number of people who voted "could not be right". The comments, made to shadow foreign secretary William Hague, are likely to be interpreted as opening a further gulf between himself and the prime minister on the elections.

Cameron was recorded as saying yesterday: "The things that seem to have happened are so naked ... you just saw the number of votes and the number of people who actually turned up at polling stations. It just could not possibly be right."
Posted by:Steve White

#5  Britons' views of the war are shaped by the media. The BBC is a pernicious left-wing propaganda with a virtual monopoly over TV and radio news and expecially political debate. It has done all it can to create a narrative of hopelessness, imminent defeat and to undermine the legitimacy of the conflict in the eyes of the British public. Just as the US media got Barack Obama elected, the BBC in the UK uses its tremendous leverage and lack of opposition to shape the views of the British public.

BBC delenda est - only when it has gone, or it is forced to compete on a level playing field, will the British public stop being subjected to its defeatist (and pro-EU) drum beat.
Posted by: Bulldog   2009-09-10 11:35  

#4  A nice rant, Oscar, clearly written from the heart and personal experience. We appreciate that kind of thing properly around here.
Posted by: trailing wife   2009-09-10 11:26  

#3  The British have long shouldered considerably more than their share of the world's work than their European neighbors. What is changing is that the British are becoming less exceptional and more European. The world will be lead by those who wish to lead it. We should consider the British example carefully.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2009-09-10 07:06  

#2  Welcome, Oscar.
Posted by: lotp   2009-09-10 06:42  

#1  Why do I get the feeling Gordon Brown is saving 'our' withdrawal till near election time.

As an ex Royal Marine , Im mortified that bleak pictures get painted by politicians for their own short term gains. its a war for God's sake , against the most vile and violent humans in existence

I have fought along side various nations at some point or another under the guise of multi national support and have met and lost so many dear friends , not to the enemy but to the bureaucrats in office pandering to sensitivities of a mixed bunch of short sighted halfwits or worse deranged lunatics .

The days of the UK being strong are long gone , drowned in waves upon waves of apathy , vindictiveness and manipulation .

Lest we ever forget : Per Mare Per Terram

Anyway, just pointing out the blindingly obvious .. rant over

Posted by: Oscar    2009-09-10 03:56  

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