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Nork labor camps a ghastly prospect for U.S. journalists
2009-06-10
This is one scary read as one contemplates life in a Nork prison. Next time someone on the Left starts babbling about 'torture' at Gitmo, show them this article.
By a staff reporter of the Los Angeles Times, no less.
Reporting from Seoul -- If North Korea carries out its controversial court verdict, two American TV journalists sentenced to 12 years of hard labor Monday face a grim future in a notorious gulag system, said the author of a study on the regime's prisons.

Laura Ling and Euna Lee, reporters for San Francisco-based Current TV, were convicted by the nation's top Central Court of an undefined "grave crime" against the hard-line regime after they were reportedly arrested in North Korean territory in March.

In a typically terse statement issued Monday, the state-run Korean Central News Agency reported that the women were sentenced to 12 years of "reform through labor."

While Pyongyang has not said where the women will serve their time, their future likely includes the possibility of hard labor, starvation and torture in a penal system many consider among the world's most repressive, said David Hawk, author of the 2004 study "The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea's Prison Camps."
You can read that report here.
Ling and Lee may be sent to a "kyo-hwa-so" or re-education reformatory "that is the equivalent of a felony penitentiary in the U.S., as opposed to a county jail or misdemeanor facility," he said.

"It's extremely hard labor under extremely brutal conditions," said Hawk. "These places have very high rates of deaths in detention. The casualties from forced labor and inadequate food supplies are very high."

Because the pair was tried by the nation's highest court, there can be no appeal, analysts say.

Obama administration officials said Monday that the White House is working "through all possible channels" to secure the release of the women.
No, they're not. There are certain channels one could contemplate using that we aren't contemplating.
In a nationally-televised interview Monday, former U.N. Ambassador Bill Richardson called the verdict part of "a high-stakes poker game," adding that the atmosphere might be right for a deal between Washington and Pyongyang.

"It is harsher than expected," the New Mexico governor said of the verdict during an interview on NBC's "Today" show, saying that he would try to seek a sort of "political pardon."
In which we'll be expected to grovel to secure the release of the two women.
Ling, 32, and Lee, 36, were arrested March 17 along the China-North Korean border while reporting a story on human trafficking by North Korean leader Kim Jong Il's regime.

The group Reporters Without Borders said in a statement Monday that the harsh verdict was "clearly designed to scare journalists trying to do investigative reporting in the border area between China and North Korea."
And it'll work, too ...
North Korea experts with knowledge of the nation's penitentiary system worried over the women's fate.

"The first thing that passed through my mind when I heard about the verdict was that, from an American perspective, this is tantamount to a death sentence," said Scott Snyder, director of the Center for U.S.-Korea Policy for the Asia Foundation, a Washington-based think tank. "There aren't a lot of guarantees in that type of environment. It's different from any prison that exists in the modern-day United States. This is a very sobering challenge for a new administration."

North Korean defector Kim Hyuck, who spent a total of seven months between 1998 and 2000 in a "kyo-hwa-so," said that the percentage of prisoners who die from the harsh conditions would be unimaginable in the west. "It is not an easy place," he said of the camps. "Centers for men and women are separate. But even [the] women's place is not comfortable at all. . . . When I was in the center, roughly 600-700 out of a total 1,500 died."

Hawk said many of the re-education camps are affiliated with mines or textile factories where inmates labor for long hours, shifts that are often followed by work criticism sessions and the forced memorization of dry North Korean policy doctrine.

The literal meaning of a "kyo-hwa-so" in Korean is "a place to make a good person through education," said Hawk, who interviewed a dozen gulag survivors for his study for a group known as the U.S. Committee for Humans Rights in North Korea.

Kim, 28, who now studies math at a South Korean university, said that escape from the camps is nearly impossible. "If someone is missing, the rest of us would be put in jail. Nobody can go out. No one can work. If a missing person gets caught, without question they will be shot dead," he said.

"Nobody was successful in escaping. Three tried when I was there, but they all got caught as they couldn't cross the border into China. I was among 23 people put into the center -- and 21 of them died there."

Kim and Hawk described long days at the camps that began before dawn. Workers are fed "watery corn gruel" for breakfast and then sent off to their assignments, Hawk said.

To become sick, Kim said, is often to die. Most people died from malnutrition and related diseases such as diarrhea and fever, he said. "There is no medication. Officers gave us a powder made of pine tree leaves. That's what they gave us for every disease. It was just to give some sort of comfort."

A harsher form of death was being sent to the solitary cell. "If someone gets sent into that cell, they wouldn't endure even a week," Kim said. It's hard to sit there or stand there. Officers don't beat them in the solitary cell, because they are going to die anyway just by being left there."

The political prisoners fare worst of all, he said. "They're taken care of separately by the spy agency of North Korea," he said. "They are beaten so harshly. There is no responsibility for their death."

Hawk said torture and punishment was often used as a tool to maintain control. "People are punished for violating labor camp regulations," he said. The most common violation is trying to steal food of one sort or another.

"If people eat food that's supposed to be for livestock, it's a violation. Failing to meet your work production quota is another violation. Punishment is severe beatings and forms of torture."

According to a recent study by the National Human Rights Commission of Korea in Seoul, public executions are still conducted in North Korea. Nearly 80% of those polled witnessed public executions. In addition, 78% said they had heard of torture and maltreatment taking place in detention centers.

But Hawk said people often survive sentences to the North Korean re-education camps. "If these women do get sent to the camps, they're probably going to make sure that they don't die in detention," he said. "They're probably going to be treated better."
Posted by:Steve White

#31  "Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!"
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2009-06-10 21:10  

#30  Agreed, just tired of celebrity passing for official; vice versa.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2009-06-10 20:55  

#29  There no call to insult Jesse, John.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2009-06-10 20:28  

#28  I mentioned to Mrs. JohnQC that I thought Al Gore was the white Jesse Jackson.
Posted by: JohnQC   2009-06-10 19:10  

#27  Al Gore seems too have no problem in getting his opinion in on every thing else why not this, ain't it his station
Posted by: funky skunk   2009-06-10 19:02  

#26  John's right, the only country the MSM's can trash and not expect to get sent to prison or murdered is in the US.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2009-06-10 18:35  

#25  The liberal left tends to enshrine these communist paradises until it affects them directly. Sorry no first amendment rights in North Korea or most of these other communist hell holes. Same comments apply to most muslim countries also. Rights such as we enjoy and take for granted here take an extended vacation in these places.
Posted by: JohnQC   2009-06-10 18:24  

#24  Some say 3 million died in the re education camps in North Vietnam

North Korea has had a _very_ long time to set records.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2009-06-10 18:11  

#23  In what capacity is Algore going to negotiate with a foreign government?
Posted by: swksvolFF   2009-06-10 17:38  

#22  American Journalists Sentenced to Reform through Labor

Pyongyang, June 8 (KCNA) -- The Central Court of the DPRK staged a trial of American journalists Laura Ling and Seung-eun Lee from June 4 to 8.

The trial confirmed the grave crime they committed against the Korean nation and their illegal border crossing as they had already been indicted and sentenced each of them to 12 years of reform through labor.
Posted by: tu3031   2009-06-10 16:07  

#21  Some say 3 million died in the re education camps in North Vietnam

I think the toll was about 2 million in all SE Asia, most of them in Cambodia. Communist Vietnam "reeducated" 1 million and murdered about 200,000 of them.
Posted by: ed   2009-06-10 11:29  

#20  newc nobama isn't gonna do shit.where is Al Gore in all this ? I haven't heard him say a thing about it or is he still up in the artic measuring ice
Posted by: funky skunk   2009-06-10 11:02  

#19  Some say 3 million died in the re education camps in North Vietnam where their stated purpose was to turn rocks into rice.
Posted by: bman   2009-06-10 10:40  

#18  These are American Citizens. A message needs to be sent. A Ranger battalion or two to go through and raze the place to the ground while re-aquiring these two. Obama better find his balls now as there is nowhere to go but down from here.;
Posted by: newc   2009-06-10 10:34  

#17  Probably shouldn't hang around the border, huh?
Posted by: mojo   2009-06-10 10:26  

#16  I feel very sorry for them but also feel the need to raise this point. "Calling somebody from Gore's TV network Current Tv a reporter - is stretching the definition of reporter."
Posted by: 3dc   2009-06-10 10:06  

#15  If I were President:

"Release those two women or Pyongyang will be nuked into oblivion at midnight."

That is all.
Posted by: Parabellum   2009-06-10 09:00  

#14  You are probably right Steve - Kimmie won't let them near a real labor camp to begin with. And the MSM will be more than willing to promote any 'narrative' coming out of the workers paradise. Never mind that there is plenty of evidence of the real labor camps out there.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2009-06-10 08:42  

#13  If the Norks plan on using these women as bargaining chips, they will never get near a real labor camp. They will have to do laundry or something in a "prison" and will be intimidated, but not to the level of Abu Ghraib so the Norks can be seen as "intimidating", but not as evil as the US.

Pure Nork dog and pony show, 101.
Posted by: DarthVader   2009-06-10 08:25  

#12  Enjoy the 'entertainment' as the MSM 'discovers' North Korea. You remember, one of the Axis of Evil founding members, a concept po-po'ed by the very same MSM that will now make these fellow members near martyrs. It's interesting when you or your neighbors get the big wedge of life it may get a moments notice in the media, but when one of theirs ends up hanging in theirs, we get very notable coverage.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2009-06-10 07:36  

#11  My guess is that Ogabe will use this as an excuse to hand out all kinds of goodies to Kim Jong Il. Not that Ogabe needed one, of course. The journos will be released and start wailing about how Gitmo's existence is the reason they got arrested in the first place - because Uncle Sam had lost all moral authority.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2009-06-10 07:24  

#10  I'm thinking that the two journalists will not get to a real Nork labor camp

You're a nasty, cynical person Dr White---my congratulations.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2009-06-10 06:31  

#9  "Nork labor camps a ghastly prospect for U.S. journalists"

They're a ghastly prospect for anyone.
Posted by: Mike   2009-06-10 06:10  

#8  Has anyone started a fund to raise money to fly MORE journoturds to the China/Nork border? My checkbook is waiting...

I wouldn't wish these two women's fate on anyone, even liberals...

Okay, maybe William Ayers and Bernadette Dorhn, maybe, but that's it.

Seriously, this NORK regime is so foul and so evil, there is no justification for this kind of "justice."
Posted by: badanov   2009-06-10 04:33  

#7  Has anyone started a fund to raise money to fly MORE journoturds to the China/Nork border? My checkbook is waiting...
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo)   2009-06-10 01:10  

#6  Ashton, back in the day pretty boys like you would have still been drafted ..after you Ash-hole.
Posted by: GirlThursday   2009-06-10 00:36  

#5  You bet GT. This is a nice Rorschach test for the Left. If you don't immediately find the notion of a Nork labor camp to be completely offensive and a horrific violation of human rights, then shut up about Gitmo.
Posted by: Steve White   2009-06-10 00:35  

#4  CF, I'm thinking that the two journalists will not get to a real Nork labor camp. They'll be kept at a hotel, and when Bill Richardson finally arrives to grovel out an apology the Norks will accept it -- and then hand him the tab for their stay.
Posted by: Steve White   2009-06-10 00:34  

#3  This is a detestable horror and an insult to all Americans and the legitimacy to exist as free people. I'm forwarding this article to every "progressive" communist sympathizer in academia I know, and in my neck of the woods, there are plenty to stand up and be counted. I expect to hear a lot of crickets chirping followed by "but but buts" that would put Milton from Office Space to shame.
Posted by: GirlThursday   2009-06-10 00:32  

#2  FARK > ACTOR ASHTON KUCHTER ["THAT 70's SHOW"] CALLS FOR US SPECIAL OPERATION TO BE LAUNCHED AGZ NORH KOREA [rescue two Lady Journalists]. "Tis a matter of US-specific national crisis/security.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2009-06-10 00:24  

#1  You just know these two Journalists are going to have an 'unfortunate accident'.

No way Kimmie-boy is going to let a couple of reporters get out of the country after experiencing the North Korean Labor camps. The media will be all over them and they would be considered 'credible sources'.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2009-06-10 00:14  

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