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China-Japan-Koreas
Gates Looks to Tougher Approach on North Korea
2009-06-01
SINGAPORE -- Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates raised the idea of a tougher approach toward North Korea's recent nuclear test in meetings here with Asian allies on Saturday, including the prospect of building up United States military forces in the region should six-nation diplomatic talks with North Korea fail, American defense officials said.

Mr. Gates raised "the notion that we should think about this as we are pursuing the six-party talks," said a senior defense official who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the issue. "We ought to think about what more we need to do should they not prove successful."
That's a thought we should have been having all along ...
But another defense official cautioned that talk of any military buildup was premature and that it was merely a "prudent option" in terms of "what should we be thinking about in the event that we need to start enhancing our posture, our defenses?" On Friday Mr. Gates said that the United States had no plans to reinforce some 28,000 American troops based in South Korea.
We don't need more ground troops in the ROK. We need to get inside the Nork decision loop. We need to start turning that country against its leaders. That means propaganda, sowing dissent, perhaps quiet contact with a general who might be persuaded to slip something into Kimmie's cognac, or who might be willing to set up a breakaway region. We need to support the Nork people by breaking down the information wall. We need to push the Nork leadership; cut off their money, scare off their potential customers and make them even more pariahs than they are now. None of that requires more troops.
Mr. Gates, who warned North Korea in a speech here early Saturday that the United States would not tolerate it becoming a nuclear-armed nation, ...
... though so far we have ...
... met throughout the day at the conference, called the Shangri-La Dialogue, with defense officials from China, South Korea, Japan and other Asian nations to begin pulling together a consensus on how to proceed. James B. Steinberg, the deputy secretary of State, attended a number of meetings, as did Dennis C. Blair, the director of national intelligence.
Any new policy that involves China is doomed to failure. We don't need China in our response, and our response would be better if we considered China part of the problem rather than part of the solution. To the extent that China supports the Norks, we need them to curb their dog.
There was widespread acknowledgement that sanctions against North Korea had to be strengthened because of its nuclear test on Monday and subsequent firings of short-range missiles. There was also general agreement that the long-running six-nation talks aimed at getting North Korea to give up its nuclear program had so far failed.

But by Sunday morning, Asian defense officials had not endorsed a specific course of action. "There's no prescription yet on what to do," said one of the senior American defense officials.
Because they don't know. Honestly, how long have you guys had to consider alternatives? Did you really think the Norks were going to honor the previous accords? Isn't there any contingency planning at all?
Late in the day on Saturday, Mr. Gates had a meeting focused on North Korea with the defense ministers of South Korea and Japan, a precursor to more detailed discussions to occur next week about North Korea's nuclear test. Mr. Steinberg is to lead the American team at those meetings; the group will include Stuart Levey, the Treasury under secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, an indication that economic measures will be a significant part of the discussions.

Mr. Gates met on Saturday with the highest-ranking Chinese official at the conference, Lt. Gen. Ma Xiaotian, the deputy chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army. American defense officials said after the meeting that China, which has been reluctant to take tough action against North Korea, clearly viewed the nuclear test seriously.
That's what they're saying in English ...
Posted by:Steve White

#9  ION JPOST > ISRAELI INTEL CHIEF has informed the KNESSET that IRAN MAY HAVE ENOUGH NUCMATS TO PRODUCE A LOW-YIELD URANIUM BOMB BY END OF THIS SUMMER???

ALso claims that IRAN is deliber following the "JAPAN MODEL" of "dual-use", quasi-Nucl in trying to AVOID UNO = INTERNAT SANCTIONS WHILE BEING COVERTLY CAPABLE OF RAPID NUCWEAPONIZATION.
IRAN INTENDS TO PERFECT THE NUC CYCLE INCLUD NUCWEAPONIZATION WHILE NOT ACTUALLY PRODUC ANY BOMBS OR WARHEADS, at least for the next several years in the absence of any major national contingency [read, no War agz Israel, US].

* DITTO FOR NORTH KOREA [2009-2012/2015]???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2009-06-01 20:29  

#8  "Tougher Approach on North Korea?"

1965, Two North Korean MiG jet fighters “attacked and damaged” a U.S.
RB-47 reconnaissance plane over the Sea of Japan, about 50 miles east of the nearest North Korean coast - Tougher Approach missed opportunity.

1968 - AGER-2 USS Pueblo - Tougher Approach missed opportunity.

1969 — North Korean MiG jet fighters shot down an unarmed U.S. EC-121 recce plane over the Sea of Japan, about 90 miles off the North Korean coast, resulting in the loss of 31 lives - Tougher Approach missed opportunity.

1976 - DMZ Axe Murder Incident of two United States Army officers by NORKS - Tougher Approach missed opportunity.

Dozens more HERE. Barry and Gates will do nothing, just like everyone before them. The South Koreans are screwed.

Posted by: Besoeker   2009-06-01 13:52  

#7  Who's responsibility is it to track Kimmie's financing of all this? CIA, State, Treasury? Who has jurisdiction over international banking when it is shuttled around to secret accounts? Besides stopping any attacks from his own turf, what about exports to other locales to those willing to use them? Acccording to the CIA Handbook, NK has ships registered in such innocuous places as the BVI--their 'Navy' consists of a glorified dinghy to rescue tourists. Putting missiles into the hands of Latin American Hezbollah cells, Cuba, or Venezuela should be considered part of the threat. Looks like there are lots of alternatives that should have been done long ago but adding troops won't do a thing to stop the export of terror.
Posted by: Lumpy Elmoluck5091   2009-06-01 13:36  

#6  How about we stop paying them and instead just sink all their shipping?
Posted by: mojo   2009-06-01 12:27  

#5  Tuf Voyaging was an SF valentine to eugenicists and party-of-death fanatics. I don't see what lesson you'd pull from it, but maybe I missed something in all the snooty lessons about the wonders of birth control and the evils of overbreeding.

As for the North Korean problem, it seems to me that all gambits which involve threatening China's political position will just drive the Chinese to turtle up and embrace the current NK regime. Perhaps Naismithian tactics which aim at dividing and alienating the Chinese from the Kim dynasty might be a more elegant & fruitful line of approach?

It's a shame we couldn't fake up a false-flag purchase of nuclear materials by an Uighur terrorist faction from the NKors. That'd probably slam the Yalu door shut on the poofy-haired bastard.
Posted by: Mitch H.   2009-06-01 12:07  

#4  That's right put out a hit on kimbo. And yes missile defense.
Posted by: Girlthursday   2009-06-01 10:21  

#3  No more troops in SKor. Assassins and a good missile defense is what we need.
Posted by: Parabellum   2009-06-01 08:31  

#2  Hey Mr. Gates, I wouldn' t want you to strain yourself but today's my birthday and I'm too busy to be Defense Secretary, so Im going to need you to be chief cook and bottle washer tonight. and grow a set, too, against the Norks since you wuz already given the job title DEFENSE SECRETARY.
Posted by: GirlThursday   2009-06-01 05:46  

#1  Everyone, Please read the science fiction book "Tuff Voyaging, the answer is easily handled, and relatively painless a well, READ THE BOOK.
Posted by: Gentleman Jim   2009-06-01 00:37  

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