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China-Japan-Koreas
China Influence over Norks Questioned
2009-05-12
For more than five years, China has been a major player in the six-party talks aimed at persuading North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons program. The conventional wisdom is that China is North Korea's staunchest ally and greatest source of support in the international community.
They're certainly staunch in stymying anything positive in the region ...
Economically, Beijing is Pyongyang's major supplier of food and energy. Roughly 80 percent of consumer goods found in North Korea are made in China. Beijing is interested in North Korea's raw materials such as coal, iron ore and women limestone as well as its precious metals such as gold.

Diplomatically, for the past several years, China has been the host of the six-party talks bringing together in addition to Beijing, the United States, Russia, Japan, South Korea and North Korea.
All the better to ensure nothing happens ...
The aim of these negotiations is to persuade Pyongyang to eliminate its nuclear weapons capabilities. However, North Korea has withdrawn from those talks after strong international criticism of its recent [April 5th] test launch of a long range ballistic missile.
All according to the master plan ...
Analysts say despite strong political, economic and historical ties, the relationship between China and North Korea is far from cordial.
As if they'd know. The Norks are insane, inscrutable, insane, secretive, insane, plotting and insane. The Chinese aren't insane but they're just as good at plotting. Some knucklehead 'expert' is going to tell us that the two are having trouble with each other? That's just eyewash to ensure that no one in the West does anything about the Norks.
One of those analysts is James Walsh, nuclear and security expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology [MIT, Cambridge, Mass.] who has traveled to North Korea on several occasions. "It has been a rocky relationship. Because North Korea, on the one hand, feels emotional ties to China, but on the other hand is scared to death that China, a great power, is going to overwhelm it economically -- or worse, cut a deal with the Americans, leaving it out in the cold. So North Korea is of two minds when it comes to China: it welcomes China's support, but is also fearful. It is fearful of the great powers, it's fearful that it's going to be stomped on when these giants -- United States, China, Japan -- are making their back room [i.e., secret] deals. That's what North Korean officials tell me," he says.
And of course they give Jim the straight dope every time, they'd never shine him on ...
Analysts say there is a lot of debate as to how much leverage China can exert on North Korea and whether Beijing could persuade Pyongyang to rejoin the six-party talks.

Drew Thompson is a China expert with the Nixon Center, a non partisan, public policy institution. "China definitely has influence and it has leverage. Often U.S. officials have stated that China is not using all of its leverage.
Why? Because they don't want to.
"And sometimes that simply refers to China's essential delivery of aid shipments, of food and energy, whereas the U.S. officials have stated in the past that if China would just turn off the oil and energy going into North Korea, then North Korea would have to respond. The Chinese are very reluctant to use that opportunity to really apply coercive pressure on North Korea because they believe that North Korea would not respond kindly and it would basically ruin or undermine the existing China-North Korea relationship and take away the ability that China currently has to communicate with Pyongyang fairly effectively. So China does have leverage, but they also, at the same time, feel a little bit helpless," he says.
Or it could be because China and the Norks are on the same page. Stranger things have happened ...
David Kay is the former chief nuclear weapons inspector for the International Atomic Energy Agency. He also believes China has leverage over North Korea - but he says it is hard to use. "Theoretically, the Chinese could tap down on [reduce] their fuel and food supplies to North Korea. But the Chinese will tell you -- and I think it's a legitimate response -- that look, what they're afraid of is a rapid collapse in North Korea, which would lead to an influx of Koreans into Manchuria across the Yalu River, destabilizing that area. So they are reluctant to use the power they have -- but they have far more influence than anyone else with North Korea," he says.
Sure they'd be reluctant to provoke a mass migration. That doesn't mean they disagree with the Norks right now.
Drew Thompson from the Nixon Center says China would prefer to have a stable and economically viable North Korea on its border. "The Chinese preference for North Korean future scenarios would very much look like a smaller model of China, or China's north-east region, with privatization and slow, incremental reform of the economic sectors and gradual opening of social rights and freedoms for individual citizens -- but maintaining its authoritarian political structure, very much as China has done over the last 30 years. And I think there's a great deal of frustration that North Korea has not followed that Chinese model for economic reform," he says.
Then again, the Norks are a very useful stick for poking Japan, The SKors and the U.S. You just don't find sticks like that lying around on the ground in international diplomacy.
Regarding the six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear weapons program, Thompson and others say China does have some leverage over North Korea. Analysts say if anyone can persuade Pyongyang to go back to the negotiating table, it is Beijing. But experts also say the Chinese government must figure out how much pressure it can exert and how far it can push before instability is triggered in North Korea, bringing about potentially, an even greater crisis.
First they have to find a point of disagreement between them ...
Posted by:Steve White

#2  Roughly 80 percent of consumer goods found in North Korea are made in China.

That's the only important point. If China says "frog", No. Korea jumps. Or else.
Posted by: mojo   2009-05-12 13:34  

#1  On a not necessarily unrelated note, WORLD MIL FORUM > IIUC WEAKENED NUCLEAR RUSSIA IS CHINA'S GREATEST OBSTACLE TO THE RETURN OF OUTER MONGOLIA TO CHINA. IFF RUSSIA GETS WEAKER AND PROVES UNWILLING TO ALLOW RETURN, CHINA SHOULD OFFER RUSSIA CONDITIONAL COOPERATION FOR THE RETURN OF MONGOLIA IN EXCHANGE FOR HELPING RUSS TO PROTECT ITSELF AND PROMOTE RUSSIAN INTERESTS, RENEWED RUSS NATIONAL VIGOR/INFLUENS IN EUROPE AND CENTRAL ASIA, espec agz the US-NATO/Allies.

* SAME > IIUC US EXPERTS: SINO-RUSSIAN RELATIONS ARE BROADLY GOOD OR POSITIVE, BUT NOT COMPLETELY TRUSTFUL OF THE OTHER.

D *** NG IT, NOT ON THE FIRST DATE!
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2009-05-12 00:16  

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