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10 terms not to use with Muslims
2009-03-31
There's a big difference between what we say and what they want to hear.
1. "The Clash of Civilizations." Invariably, this kind of discussion ends up with us as the good guy and them as the bad guy. There is no clash of civilizations, only a clash between those who are for civilization, and those who are against it. Civilization has many characteristics but two are foundational: 1) It has no place for those who encourage, invite, and/or commit the murder of innocent civilians; and 2) It is defined by institutions that protect and promote both the minority and the transparent rule of law.

2. "Secular." The Muslim ear tends to hear "godless" with the pronunciation of this word. And a godless society is simply inconceivable to the vast majority of Muslims worldwide. Pluralism – which encourages those with (and those without) a God-based worldview to have a welcomed and equal place in the public square – is a much better word.

3. "Assimilation." This word suggests that the minority Muslim groups in North America and Europe need to look like the majority, Christian culture. Integration, on the other hand, suggests that all views, majority and minority, deserve equal respect as long as each is willing to be civil with one another amid the public square of a shared society.

4. "Reformation." Muslims know quite well, and have an opinion about, the battle taking place within Islam and what it means to be an orthodox and devout Muslim. They don't need to be insulted by suggesting they follow the Christian example of Martin Luther. Instead, ask how Muslims understand ijtihad, or reinterpretation, within their faith traditions and cultural communities.

5. "Jihadi." The jihad is an internal struggle first, a process of improving one's spiritual self-discipline and getting closer to God. The lesser jihad is external, validating "just war" when necessary. By calling the groups we are fighting "jihadis," we confirm their own – and the worldwide Muslim public's – perception that they are religious. They are not. They are terrorists, hirabists, who consistently violate the most fundamental teachings of the Holy Koran and mainstream Islamic scholars and imams.

6. "Moderate." This ubiquitous term is meant politically but can be received theologically. If someone called me a "moderate Christian," I would be deeply offended. I believe in an Absolute who also commands me to love my neighbor. Similarly, it is not an oxymoron to be a mainstream Muslim who believes in an Absolute. A robust and civil pluralism must make room for the devout of all faiths, and none.

7. "Interfaith." This term conjures up images of watered-down, lowest common denominator statements that avoid the tough issues and are consequently irrelevant. "Multifaith" suggests that we name our deep and irreconcilable theological differences in order to work across them for practical effect – according to the very best of our faith traditions, much of which are values we share.

8. "Freedom." Unfortunately, "freedom," as expressed in American foreign policy, does not always seek to engage how the local community and culture understands it. Absent such an understanding, freedom can imply an unbound licentiousness. The balance between the freedom to something (liberty) and the freedom from something (security) is best understood in a conversation with the local context and, in particular, with the Muslims who live there. "Freedom" is best framed in the context of how they understand such things as peace, justice, honor, mercy, and compassion.

9. "Religious Freedom." Sadly, this term too often conveys the perception that American foreign policy is only worried about the freedom of Protestant evangelicals to proselytize and convert, disrupting the local culture and indigenous Christians. Although not true, I have found it better to define religious freedom as the promotion of respect and reconciliation with the other at the intersection of culture and the rule of law – sensitive to the former and consistent with the latter.

10. "Tolerance." Tolerance is not enough. Allowing for someone's existence, or behavior, doesn't build the necessary relationships of trust – across faiths and cultures – needed to tackle the complex and global challenges that our civilization faces. We need to be honest with and respect one another enough to name our differences and commonalities, according to the inherent dignity we each have as fellow creations of God called to walk together in peace and justice, mercy and compassion.

Posted by:ryuge

#16  Jihadi, jihadi jihadi. Take that, Abdullah.
Posted by: Jereger Hapsburg2215   2009-03-31 16:38  

#15  
Right, Mark.
Posted by: Pappy   2009-03-31 16:20  

#14  Number Eleven (#11) would be:

Never call a muslim who wants to convert you to his ideology by the tip of the sword, or forces you to be a third class citizen under his boot heel, or wants to kill you if you resist...never call that person a "raghead" on THIS board.

Why? Because insulting the enemy is pissing on the floor of someone else's house. So I am told.

Right Pappy? Right lopt?
Posted by: MarkZ   2009-03-31 16:01  

#13  Those look more like a list of goals to me.
Posted by: DarthVader   2009-03-31 13:21  

#12  Sure, I'll back off on these words if they stop calling me an "infidel", or equate me to "meat that attracts street cats" for daring to walk around with my head uncovered and/or unescorted by a male relative.

Until then, piss up a rope, pal.
Posted by: Cornsilk Blondie   2009-03-31 12:46  

#11  And may wild hogs mate upon their graves.
Posted by: Grunter   2009-03-31 12:25  

#10  This whole list seems to take the tack that the Muslims are not looking to be offended and if not these ten words there will be ten others. They are the most easily offended group the world has ever seen.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2009-03-31 11:30  

#9  How to Properly insult a Muslim with their own terrorist history from the Koran and Hadiths.

No other religion calls for a conversion or death. Nor was any other religion founded by a murderer, terrorist and pedophile.(Mohammed the pedophile for profit married a 6 year old girl when he was 54 years old and raped her when she was 9.

Islamic myth and truths.

They won't admit that allah was really the pagan title of idol in Muhammad's "piece of pork upon him" parents village. This idol was supposed to be the "moon god" hence the crescent moon found on top of every mosque in the world today.

Call allah a pagan

The demonic part is self apparent. Muhammad was fooled by Satan, see the Satanic verses. Muslims know that this marks the "prophet" as the fraud he is. They even took those verses out of the Koran. The koran of today is rather different from the koran of mohammed`s day because the towelheads kept altering it`s texts and passages.

Call allah demonic

Muhammad was trying to put himself in charge of a Moon-worship cult that the local Jews would respect so while in Mecca he took up the tradition of calling pigs "unclean".

Call allah a pig or swine.

Muhammad, well who knows why he hated women so much. To this day bisexuality is so common in Saudi and it's puppet muslim states that Muhammad never really did anything firm about punishing pedophiles. What he did say is that "the majority of people in Hell are women".

Call allah a goddess

The Koran promised homosexual pedophilia to any Muslim that dies killing us. "Rivers of wine and young boys fine as pearls."

Call allah a pimp to pedophiles

Turn the truth back at the Muslims and let them cook in their own juices.

Hence: "demonic pagan swine goddess allah"

Call muhammad a common thief and murderer.

Rather than work Muhammad had his followers steal from caravans while in Medina. The fact is he was a common thief. muhammad (piece of ham be upon him) encouraged his handful of followers to attack the caravans, kill the men, rape the women and bring the booty (20% for himself) to please Allah, while assuring them that if they are killed their rewards will be rivers of wine, and many hurries in the other world. All these sickening deeds are backed by koran and hadith.. [The Koran 55:56; 55:58; 78:33; 56:12; 52:16-17, 24; 56:35-38; 52:20]
Posted by: Icerigger   2009-03-31 10:57  

#8  I can think of quite a few more than 10 right off the top of my head. Tried to post them last night (and again this morning) but must be in the sink trap?

PC crap is ridiculous.
Posted by: Zorba Craising6734   2009-03-31 10:41  

#7  Just ten?
Posted by: tu3031   2009-03-31 10:35  

#6  " Son of an owl" should be in there somewhere.
Posted by: Grunter   2009-03-31 10:07  

#5  Wow, he can think of 10 things. I know of only one: don't use limited force.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2009-03-31 08:42  

#4  One word: Dhimmi
Posted by: CrazyFool   2009-03-31 08:41  

#3  Typical lefty bullsh*t. We have to bend over backwards so as not to offend, but they don't have to do anything. It's all our fault!
Posted by: Spot   2009-03-31 08:20  

#2  By calling the groups we are fighting "jihadis," we confirm their own – and the worldwide Muslim public's – perception that they are religious. They are not. They are terrorists, hirabists, who consistently violate the most fundamental teachings of the Holy Koran and mainstream Islamic scholars and imams.

Uh, NO.
Posted by: Parabellum   2009-03-31 08:19  

#1  Mr Seipole sounds like someone who'd bring the rope for his own hanging, so as not to offend or inconvenience anyone, or to give them the impression he somehow objected to being hung..
Posted by: phil_b   2009-03-31 01:19  

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