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| "A Day Without a Gay"......Arab style |
| 2008-12-14 |
| Is the punishment decreed for homosexuals mentioned in the Qur’an? Please give references. (S. Abd Al-Raheem) No punishment is mentioned in the Quran for homosexuality, but it is treated as one of the worst crimes against Islamic morality. Islam is indeed very serious in matters of social morality. Therefore, fornication and adultery are considered very serious offences and strict punishments are prescribed for them, when certain conditions apply. Homosexuality is viewed as even more ghastly than adultery. The way the Qur’an speaks about Lot’s people, who were the first to practice this heinous offence, leaves no doubt as to how it should be viewed in Islamic society. The fact that no specific punishment is mentioned in the Qur’an does not mean that this offence can go unpunished when it is proven. Islamic legislation is taken from two main sources: the Qur’an and the Sunnah, which includes the statements and practices of the Prophet. The Prophet ordered the death penalty for anyone who is guilty of this crime. He is quoted as saying: “If you find someone doing what Lot’s people used to do, then kill both partners.” (Related by Abu Dawood, Al-Tirmidhi, Al-Nassaie and Ibn Majah). He is also reported to have cursed such offenders in clear terms. Scholars have different views on how a sodomist should be punished. However, the overwhelming majority are of the view that the death penalty applies, even though they differ as to the method of execution. Whichever method is chosen, the punishment should be one that provides a deterrent so that this offence is viewed in its true colors: a stark aggression against human decency, morality and God’s creation. |
| Posted by:classer |
| #14 Abu - looks like an old M48-A1 painted pink and dolled up. Still doesn't change the fact that a PRACTICING homosexual in the military is both a security hazard and a personnel hazard. I've known dozens I've suspected of being gay, and most were good people that did good work. At the same time, I've seen homosexual behavior tear a unit apart. I'm not willing to say "kill all homos", but I AM willing to agree that they have no place in the military and still practice their lifestyle. The same goes for churches. Jesus said, "Go, and sin no more". That means giving up sinful behavior, which homosexuality is considered. A practicing homosexual has not repented his sin, and refuses to change his lifestyle. I wouldn't want one to be a member of my congregation, much less trying to LEAD it. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2008-12-14 20:09 |
| #13 help me out i cant place that last tank... |
| Posted by: Abu do you love 2008-12-14 17:58 |
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| Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC 2008-12-14 17:12 |
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| Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC 2008-12-14 16:59 |
| #10 Don't ask Don't tell seems to work fine. Why break it? And before anyone drags out that false analogy, this is unlike race, in that its not mere skin color, but behavioral. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2008-12-14 16:21 |
| #9 Er, huh..... guess that makes it OK? |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2008-12-14 15:02 |
| #8 General Powell said this past week General Powell, ret. says many things. Fortunately, he no longer is in a position to enforce his desires. There been homosexuals in the armed services since time immemorial. Like heterosexuals, this should only be a problem when they make themselves obnoxious. In civilian life, likewise, sexual proclivities of any sort become an issue when forced upon the awareness of others, exactly as outlined by JFM and Rambler. To return to the article at the top of the thread, we in the civilized world do not believe that sexual activities between willing participants, that cause no harm, should be treated as a mortal crime. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-12-14 14:45 |
| #7 Steve There are at least problems with gays in military: 1) People banging instead of doing what they are supposed to do. There are have been several cases of this in mixed sex units. Do you want to introduce another source of problems? 2) Peace of mind. In the military there are too many opportunities where you have to be naked in front of other men for feeling confortable if one of them is gay. 3) Passional conflicts. In case you wonder why having an affair with the wife of another service man gets you expelled from the army (or do you go to jail instead?) it is because this can lead to fragging or to rival (and all his unit) being sent into a suicide mission. Now envision a gay who feels frustrated because he has been rebuked and he has authority on the rebuker or his lover... 4) Favoritism or mutual support to egt promoted 5) Rapes. |
| Posted by: JFM 2008-12-14 14:06 |
| #6 Steve, Are you a veteran? Have you ever served aboard a ship, especially a submarine? The quarters are very close. There is very little room for privacy. I would hate to take a shower knowing the guy next to me is looking at me with lust in his mind. I have no problem with gays as people. Serving in the military is different. |
| Posted by: Rambler in Virginia 2008-12-14 12:33 |
| #5 If they can obey orders, fight, treat others with decency and honor, and respect the institution, Besoeker, why shouldn't they be allowed to fight for us? I'm not going to join into any gay-bashing here. Gays are honorable people just like you and me. If you want to think of gays in the way the weirdos in SF exist fine, but the real world is different. |
| Posted by: Steve White 2008-12-14 10:56 |
| #4 some transi typespeople were touting Sistani as a nobel winner in the peace dept. however his many "homosexuals should suffer before execution" pronouncements have taken a toll on his liberal fan club |
| Posted by: mhw 2008-12-14 10:45 |
| #3 General Powell said this past week that buggers like these two SHOULD be able to enlist in the US Armed Forces. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2008-12-14 10:24 |
| #2 LMAO! I don't know where GB comes up with all this stuff, but we should see if we can get him a government grant. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2008-12-14 10:21 |
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| Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC 2008-12-14 09:23 |