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| 2008-10-21 | |
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| Posted by:Fred |
| #30 "Think of all the business fraud they stop, all the criminals they prosecute and put away, all the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS they protect." Perhaps. What I perceive is that there are too many of them who should be gainfully employed elsewhere in the economy, and that they are too influential, especially as legislators. It is similar to a mortician setting up your health plan to benefit his business in the long-term. (My apologies to morticians for mentioning them along with lawyers). |
| Posted by: Milton Fandango 2008-10-21 20:58 |
| #29 The huge problem is FINDING, then AFFORDING "Good" lawyers, it's extremely hard(and very expensive) to sort out the bad from the good, I know of NO reliable reference. |
| Posted by: Redneck Jim 2008-10-21 18:53 |
| #28 Lawyers are the last defense for the common man. Good lawyers will be the last defense for the common man against the Obot henchmen. Look what's happening to Joe the Plumber. The baddies have their lawyers. Good people should voice support for good lawyers. Think of all the business fraud they stop, all the criminals they prosecute and put away, all the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS they protect. If Obama wins, he will first want to get rid of the lawyers on the "wrong side" according to his view. |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2008-10-21 17:45 |
| #27 Domestic grounds keeper here. I work for meals. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2008-10-21 17:30 |
| #26 Maybe he got turned down by engineering schools. |
| Posted by: sludge 2008-10-21 17:25 |
| #25 Yesterday I asked General_Comment what he does for a living, but I don't believe he replied. How about it, General? The sun must still be above the horizon on the East Coast. |
| Posted by: gorb 2008-10-21 17:04 |
| #24 Capitalist society pays people according to their value to it. And engineers are not paid particularly well. Actually capitalist society pays people according to their capital production value. Not their value to society. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2008-10-21 16:39 |
| #23 "Capitalist society pays people according to their value to it. And engineers are not paid particularly well. Plus, they typically sit in God forsaken places." That's strange. I'm sure that the average engineer straight out of college makes more than the typical family does, and a lot more after a few years of experience. And in 32 years of practicing engineering, I don't believe I've ever had to sit in God forsaken places, unless you count airline seats. Yesterday I asked General_Comment what he does for a living, but I don't believe he replied. How about it, General? |
| Posted by: Darrell 2008-10-21 15:19 |
| #22 Oh, and I thought the Col at that firm was an idiot... no matter what you lawyers thought. Esp on his investment advice (Buy Corvus). |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-10-21 15:00 |
| #21 And for the lawyers out their that think I don't understand how they think.... In the early 80s I wrote and service the wordprocessing/database/network/printing/mailing software that let, what was then the nation's largest law firm "Foley and Lardner", do their booming 80s merger and acquisition business. When a document didn't work right I had to study it. From that I understand quite a bit how you and the courts reach decisions.... |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-10-21 14:58 |
| #20 TW, note that I said fewer lawyers, not the eradication of the profession. Sadly, when there are too many lawyers, they can undermine a society by minimizing any sense of personal responsibility. I believe we are well past that point. We need to have loser-pays introduced for some classes of legal issues. |
| Posted by: remoteman 2008-10-21 14:57 |
| #19 Oh I know, Mike. It has made house purchasing a bit more amusing than planned, over the years. ;-) Mr. Wife never signs off for his company unless he has clarified every word, which they apparently have some reason to appreciate... He deals several international companies for them -- I'll have to ask him if he's crossed paths with General_Comment's colleagues. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-10-21 14:45 |
| #18 However we may debate the merits and demerits of lawyers and engineers, doubtless we will be blessed with both professions for many years to come. |
| Posted by: Richard of Oregon 2008-10-21 14:37 |
| #17 Thanks for sticking up for us lawyers, TW. I like engineers--they're some of my better clients, even if they do insist on reading every word in the document six times. |
| Posted by: Mike 2008-10-21 14:34 |
| #16 I must protest that lawyers are important to a smoothly functioning society, however fond I am personally of scientists and engineers. Done properly, lawyers protect the weak from being brutally overpowered by the strong, and force society to live up to its claimed aspirations. Equal justice under the law can only be enforced by those with detailed knowledge of the law, and any society worth living in rapidly develops a great many laws. The current financial panic is the result of bad laws written and enforced by the cleverly venal while the lawyers looked the other way. It will take clever and ethical lawyers, aided by ethical accountants and politicians to unwind this fiasco and ensure that those truly culpable are found and punished. Quite a few good and capable lawyers post here, and no doubt even more lurk, despite the abuse their profession receives. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-10-21 14:10 |
| #15 Annie Oakley was certainly a character, Fred. She would have approved of Sarah Palin, I think. Miss Oakley clearly did not think herself in need of being liberated any more than Governor Palin does. Given that movie stars and professional sports stars are paid a great deal more than almost all lawyers and engineers, I'm not sure that valued by capitalist society is the truest measure of worth. Nonetheless, it is perilous in a situation without outside cues to make assumptions about earnt (or unearnt!) income, anongst other things. After all, both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs could truthfully describe themselves as computer programmers with a bit of management experience. Too, those who work or live internationally tend to be quite a bit more than their job titles, I've found. (Those who stay at home, too, but that doesn't apply to either 3dc or General_Comment) Come, gentlemen: you've done quite enough baiting for today. I'd much prefer to be impressed by the analytical skills and knowledge you've acquired in your worldly adventures. Although I must admit the image of spicy noodles at twenty paces -- so much more sporting than ten, don't you think? -- is quite amusing. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-10-21 13:55 |
| #14 I'll take the engineer over the lawyer anytime. A world with far fewer lawyers would be welcome, particularly in this country. A world with far fewer engineers would be cold and brutish. Such an easy choice. |
| Posted by: remoteman 2008-10-21 13:34 |
| #13 Perhaps tomorrow's babe should be Annie Oakley? |
| Posted by: Fred 2008-10-21 12:47 |
| #12 I like women that shoot, as long as they don't shoot at me. Knowing she's a crack shot would ensure I'd be polite! |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2008-10-21 12:22 |
| #11 In 1943, Madge ended her affair with one fellow by shooting him. She said that she only winged him, didn't intend to kill himm. She described herself as a crack shot. Thank God, they don't make many women of her temperment anymore. Most of us guys deserve to be shot on occasion. We're lucky that we aren't. |
| Posted by: Richard of Oregon 2008-10-21 10:17 |
| #10 Seeing he is my "better", my weapon of choice is noodles topped with red sauce (cooled a bit) at 10 paces. He pays for it all because he is rich and say engineers should be naturally poor. Broadcast live on Fox-News. Not election related - just lawyer vs engineer. He has to wear a suit and power tie. I will be in my jeans and tee-shirt. Since I am nobody and less than nothing to him.... I have no loss of honor being hit. He... well his clients might be troubled... I know mine will just think its funny. So ... General Comment... ready? |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-10-21 09:56 |
| #9 UMMM....excuse me, but did I intrude at a bad time? i'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE TAWKIN' ABOUT HERE. Whoops! Hit my capslock by accident. Now, wait a minute, what was I saying? oh,yeah, Nice gams. Continue playing children and be nice. |
| Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 2008-10-21 09:30 |
| #8 They do Jack, mainly as chum, one you put them through the grinder. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2008-10-21 09:01 |
| #7 Lawyers have value? Who'da thought that? |
| Posted by: Jack is Back! 2008-10-21 08:45 |
#6  I learn something every day on RB. Today I learned that the sun comes up shortly after midnight on the East Coast. |
| Posted by: gorb 2008-10-21 02:08 |
| #5 I see you are posting from a VPN at Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel LLP Link to the "about" for your law firm Also, you likely live in New Jersey as you sometimes post from comcast there. I assume you think lawyers are better than and more important than engineers and others esp financial lawyers. You are our betters even as you are in the feeding trough to such us for wall street bailouts.... I see Paul S. Pearlman is the manager of your firm. MR. PAUL S. PEARLMAN (KRAMER LEVIN NAFTALIS AND FRANKEL L), (Zip code: 11753) $500 to JOHN MCCAIN 2008 INC. on 03/30/07 so... does he know you are posting pro-Obama stuff from his corporate VPN? Your boss is pro-McCain. hmm... |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-10-21 00:41 |
| #4 After all General_Comment -- This country is founded on eternal revolution and the concept that everybody is born equal. You claim to be our better. Die MOFO! |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-10-21 00:15 |
| #3 Dual Duels! With 2 affronts... I want choice of weapon. I want your name and place. I want it to the painful death. |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-10-21 00:10 |
| #2 General Comment - Dual! Challenge! |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-10-21 00:08 |
| #1 3dc, re engineers. Capitalist society pays people according to their value to it. And engineers are not paid particularly well. Plus, they typically sit in God forsaken places. Other than that I have no problem with engineers - they are very useful. I drive on highways. Also fly on planes. |
| Posted by: General_Comment 2008-10-21 00:06 |