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Home Front: Politix
'Joe the Plumber' happy to help candidates make point
2008-10-16
A week ago he was a little-known plumber quietly practicing his trade in northwestern Ohio. Now Joe Wurzelbacher is a talking point in the race for the White House.

Wurzelbacher, now dubbed "Joe the Plumber," heard his name invoked in whole or in part more than two dozen times during Wednesday's presidential debate in Hempstead, New York, first by Sen. John McCain and then by Sen. Barack Obama. "I was just really surprised that my name was mentioned," he told reporters after the debate. "I think it helped them get their points across, so I was happy about that."

Wurzelbacher, 34, unintentionally stepped onto the political scene over the weekend when Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, was campaigning in Holland, Ohio, just west of Toledo. Wurzelbacher was playing football with his son when Obama was campaigning door-to-door in his neighborhood. Wurzelbacher works for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small firm in the Toledo area, The Toledo Blade reported.

The newspaper also reported that a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher was registered at the same address as Wurzelbacher and that he voted for the first time in Pennsylvania's Republican primary on March 4. A local election official told the Blade that Wurzelbacher's name may be misspelled in the voter registration database. Wurzelbacher told ABC News Thursday that he was registered to vote.

Wurzelbacher is keeping who he plans to vote for to himself but says he leans conservative.

In his exchange with Obama, Wurzelbacher asked if the presidential candidate believed in the American Dream. Wurzelbacher said he was about to buy the plumbing company that he works for and was concerned that Obama would tax him more because of it. Families making more than $250,000 could see taxes go up under Obama's middle-class tax cut plan, while those making less than $250,000 would not see any increase.

Obama explained his tax plan in depth to Wurzelbacher, saying it's better to lower taxes for Americans who make less money so they can afford to patronize his business.

At the debate, McCain said Obama's plan would give the government the power to redistribute wealth by raising taxes. "We're going to take Joe's money, give it to Sen. Obama, and let him spread the wealth around. I want Joe the plumber to spread the wealth around," McCain said. He added, "Why would you want to increase anybody's taxes right now? Why would you want to do that to anyone, anyone in America, when we have such a tough time?"

Obama countered that both he and McCain want to cut taxes, but that his plan would cut taxes for "95 percent of American families," more than McCain's plan.

Thursday morning, Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, said plumbers would not be affected by the Democrat's tax policies. "You notice John [McCain] continues to cling to the notion of this guy Joe the Plumber," Biden said on NBC's "Today" show. "I don't have any Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year that are worried."

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the mean annual wage for plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters in the United States in 2007 was $47,350.

Wurzelbacher is the second "Joe" invoked by the McCain campaign, which is attempting to appeal to so-called average Americans. Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin referred to "Joe Six-Pack American" in a radio interview this month in which she touted the folksiness that's been central to her political success in Alaska.

"I think they're just not used to someone coming in from the outside saying, 'You know what? It's time that normal Joe Six-Pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency,' and I think that that's kind of taken some people off-guard," she told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.
Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#19  He's also under a tax lien for $1000+/- - woe be unto him whose fealty to the state is incomplete!

I hope some sharp 527 is working on the script - Joe W. has real media presence, and for kicks he should appear at his next sit-down clinging to his gun and bible.
Posted by: Don Vito Omeling5062   2008-10-16 21:06  

#18  Please Lord, more Joe's for the Obamessiah.
Posted by: Besoeker   2008-10-16 20:59  

#17  "How many plumbers do you know that make half-a-million a year?"

Not a smart question..... 'cause each time Joe the Plumber is interviewed, he brings up that S word. Yea, that S word that really would have made the difference in this election, if only raised early.

Joe said Socialism..... he said, "I have a set of parents, I don't need another one."

America finally heard, Socialism.... and that is what The One has kept hidden..... fly-over country folks understand that word Socialism.

The One just doesn't understand the essence of small business, the essence of working to get what I get, and I don't want it given to me.

That's what I heard today -- via radio, Internet, etc.....

My thought is that the anger that is being seen from folks, was the point Joe made.... lots of lots of folks were keeping iside of them, that S word, knowing that is what is coming, not wanting it, not knowing how to voice it, and Joe just spoke for the nation!

And the voters of this election have now gotten vocal.

Oh.... and I know one plumber that is fuming over The One's, "Anyone here know a plumber that makes a quarter a million a year?"

From the San Antonio area call in shows today.... whoa, The One (and the media who have shown them as dumb and stupid) insulted every worker man and woman, who is out there working.

Could be a game changer -- and yes, I did hear folks saying today.... yea, I'm changing my vote...

Let's hope enough feel that way.... my money's on Joe.
Posted by: Sherry   2008-10-16 20:33  

#16  Just got back from town, the truck stop in Haines City, Fl big sign is Flashing the message, "JOE THE PLUMBER GETS IT, DO YOU?"
If Obama gets elected I imagine Joe will get a perpetual tax audit.
Posted by: bruce   2008-10-16 20:30  

#15  Well, we all know how well the previous swipe at the "common man" worked. All of us clinging to guns and religion and the like.

Keep up the winning strategy, dumbass.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-10-16 19:29  

#14  He is registered to vote, the voter registration has his name mis-spelled. Why am I not surprised.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2008-10-16 18:47  

#13  Mike, I heard they got him for littering, and _everyone moved away from him on the bench there_...
Posted by: Tranquil Mechanical Yeti   2008-10-16 18:26  

#12  Heard on the radipo this morning that Joe isn't even registered to vote.
Posted by: Mike N.   2008-10-16 18:20  

#11  The 'gross income' you make in your day-to-day 9-5 job is before expenses, also. Revenues in a 'Sole Ownership' (Sole Proprietorship or Partnership - not a corporation) are treated as 'personal income' by the IRS. Yes, you can deduct your expenses, as you can with a normal 9-5 job, and the 'bottom line' is your 'net taxable income'. This will affect over half of the small businesses and farms out there.

What's left over after taxes is the 'little bit of cash' that I spoke of. If more of that gets taken away, the 'non-competitiveness kicks in.
Posted by: Mullah Richard   2008-10-16 17:33  

#10  MR: A "Sole Owner" of a 'small' plumbing contracting firm tells me that it's pretty easy to have over $250K of INCOME in an average year if you employ a couple of field workers.

I think that's revenues rather than income. Income is the bottom line, after you've paid all expenses.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2008-10-16 17:20  

#9  Another point, in the construction market today, the average small 'mechanical contractor' (Plumbing, Heating, Electrical) nets about 1 - 1-1/2 percent after expenses on the national average. That little bit of cash helps secure their loans and buys the trucks and tools for the next year. Cut a part of that out and they become less competitive against a larger contractor with more cash flow.

This just stinks...........
Posted by: Mullah Richard   2008-10-16 17:11  

#8  Mister Blue
Words and Music by Tom Paxton

Good morning Mister Blue, we've got our eyes on you.
The evidence is clear, that you've been scheming.
You like to steal away and while away the day.
You like to spend an hour dreaming.
What will it take, to whip you into line?
A broken heart?
A broken head?
It can be arranged.
It can be arranged.

Step softly Mister Blue, we know what's best for you.
We know where your precious dreams will take you.
You've got a slot to fill, and fill that slot you will.
You'll learn to love it, or we'll break you.
Oh, what will it take, to whip you into line?
A broken heart?
A broken head?
It can be arranged.
It can be arranged.

Be careful Mister Blue this phase you're going through,
Can lead you nowhere else, but to disaster.
Excuse us while we grin, you've worn our patience thin.
It's time to show you who's your master.
What will it take, to whip you into line?
A broken heart?
A broken head?
It can be arranged.
It can be arranged.

Don't worry Mister Blue, we'll take good care of you.
Just think of it as sense and not surrender.
But never think again, that you can think again,
Or you'll get something you'll remember.
What will it take to whip you into line?
A broken heart?
A broken head?
It can be arranged.
It can be arrange
Posted by: bruce   2008-10-16 17:04  

#7  So if The One tries to throw J.T.P. under the bus, will we get an eyeful of plumbers' crack???
Posted by: USN,Ret.   2008-10-16 17:00  

#6  A "Sole Owner" of a 'small' plumbing contracting firm tells me that it's pretty easy to have over $250K of INCOME in an average year if you employ a couple of field workers. From that you pay your material expenses, taxes, wages, insurance, permits, etc. He's seriously looking at a LLC or some other corporate structure, but those present problems, too.

By the way, the Small Business Administration lists a "Small Business" as one having less than SEVEN MILLION Dollars in a year and a "Small Farmer" as one who has less than $750K yearly income (both before expenses).

How does the 'Small Farm' income fit into the One's plan?
Posted by: Mullah Richard   2008-10-16 16:59  

#5  I just come in the back door of our building, and there is a plumbers van parked there with big orange " Joe the Plumber for President" signs on both sides.
Posted by: Grunter   2008-10-16 16:54  

#4  Oh goody, keep that line going to the election date demonizing the common man, the one that works and actually pays taxes. The Proletariat is suppose to be dependent upon the Party and the State [and the One]. All counter-revolutionaries will be dealt with accordingly! The Mask(tm) is off. No one will be entitled afterward to whine "I didn't know".
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-10-16 16:29  

#3  I just caught a bit of Fox News and Obama took a swipe at Joe the Plumbmer, too. "How many plumbers do you know that make a quarter of a million dollars a year?" I think he entirely missed the point. Joe didn't say he would make 250,000 a year but that his company would. Some Congressman on Fox said, "His name isn't Joe and he's not even a plumber". DO NOT question The One.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2008-10-16 16:10  

#2  Joe Biden took a shot at him this morning.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2008-10-16 15:52  

#1  Now they're taking shots at him...

HOLLAND, Ohio - Joe the Plumber said Thursday he doesn't have a license and doesn't need one. Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname Republican John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday's presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn't need a license, he said.

But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.

BLASPHEMER!! INFIDEL!!!
Posted by: tu3031   2008-10-16 15:37  

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