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| Mrs Obama decides enough is enough. |
| 2008-10-15 |
| Posted by:tipper |
| #23 My other assertion is that he was probably born illegit - why that would be an issue I don't know - unless it was just an embarrasment for him & therefore he doesn't want to release the originals - though in this day and age I don't think many folks would care. |
| Posted by: Flitch the Imposter aka Broadhead6 2008-10-15 19:51 |
| #22 To partially echo what Broadhead6 touched on....would his adoption by Soetoro mean that he would have had to give up his American citizenship, since Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship? If so, he would have had to go through some procedure to get his American citizenship back....and therefore regardless of where he was born, he wouldn't qualify as a "naturalized" American, right? (I don't think that the US guvmint takes into account the fact he was a minor and may not have consented....he would still be considered naturalized.) |
| Posted by: Cornsilk Blondie 2008-10-15 18:26 |
| #21 Another theory: He was born in Hawaii and is therefore eligible, but the name his mother gave him was Barry Obama or maybe Barry Dunham. He legally changed his name to Barack Hussein Obama, after his father, later as an adult. It would explain why he's so touchy about "Hussein" ... |
| Posted by: Jease Turkeyneck8300 2008-10-15 16:12 |
| #20 This is on Sirius Patriot right now; here's my observations: Obama Sr as per being Kenyan was a Brit subject (he was never a U.S. immigrant). Obama Jr as per Brit law of 1948 was also a Brit subject *if* his mom did not assert her rights as a mother that he be a U.S. citizen (IIRC she was underage at the time of birth). Then, Sotero (not a U.S. citizen whose home country does not have a dual citizenship agreement w/the U.S.) adopts Barack and he moves out of Hawaii and does school abroad. Question is: did the mom assert her rights and keep him as a U.S. citizen or was he considered a Brit subject or even a citizen of his adopted father's home country? More importantly, why not just release the original and be done w/the speculations? |
| Posted by: Broadhead6 2008-10-15 14:36 |
| #19 phil_b, I can't believe it is that simple. Something like that is just not a big deal and would turn voters against anyone who pressed it. This is too weird for me. The solution is so simple that not availing oneself of it can't help but raise questions that he doesn't want to answer. |
| Posted by: AlanC 2008-10-15 14:02 |
| #18 People are assuming his mother flew with him shortly after he was born to the mainland. One possibility no one has considered is that Obama was born onboard a ship from Hawaii to the mainland (many people would have travelled from Hawaii by ship at that time). This wouldn't affect his citizenship, but being born in international waters would make the natural born clause problematic. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2008-10-15 13:42 |
| #17 He also refuses to produce his passport records. Besides befriending a Pakistani, he reportedly traveled there several times. His mother worked for an NGO there for several years, too. Being a little forthcoming would end all this but the stonewalling just fuels it. |
| Posted by: Thealing Borgia 122 2008-10-15 12:46 |
| #16 Haven't seen much over lately. I though he had her ankle cuffed to the rear axle under the bus? |
| Posted by: tu3031 2008-10-15 12:45 |
| #15 Evita, Evita... |
| Posted by: Capsu 78 2008-10-15 12:31 |
| #14 OK. I just read this article and my first impression is that we need to take it with a grain of salt. I mean, did Michelle Obama really call these people and talk to them like this? Really? She's saying that everybody who has legitimate concerns about the existence or non-existence of a valid birth certificate is racist? Just for asking? I'm a racist just for asking a question? And then she demands that API and other African media outlets support BO just because he is a black man? Isn't that kinda like...well...racist? Did she really do this? She has better sense than to talk to MSM this way. How about MSM picking up on this? How about ABC, NYT, WaPo, CNN, or CBS asking her if she really said these things? National Enquirer? Ain't gonna happen, is it? Another thing that, sadly, ain't gonna happen is McCain raising this issue in tonight's debate. This whole issue is gonna get swept under the rug just like Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac, Vera Banks, etc., etc., etc. because He is the One. |
| Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 2008-10-15 12:24 |
| #13 We Empress Michelle, hereby declare |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2008-10-15 12:22 |
| #12 Just got off the phone with my brother. We're making plans for a golf outing. He mentioned in passing he obtained a duplicate Ohio driver's license this morning. Orignial was "lost" when his wallent was stolen (long story). He had to present a CERTIFIED copy of his ORIGINAL birth certificate (not a "certificate of live birth"), together with his social security card. Lots of interesting info is contained on a birth certificate. Show us yours, Mr. Obama. |
| Posted by: MarkZ 2008-10-15 11:39 |
| #11 Tough shit, sweet cheeks. Not gonna stop. |
| Posted by: mojo 2008-10-15 11:28 |
| #10 While I give this story a huge mountain of salt, some things are troubling. Why, when McCain's citizenship was questioned, he immediately released all original documents, but when Obama's is he just releases one crappy photocopy. All it would take is a couple original documents to make this go away, and Obama is stalling. Why? It just makes no sense if he is a full American citizen. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2008-10-15 10:16 |
| #9 Hear Corsi's teleconference Thursday here http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77877 Click on teleconference link. |
| Posted by: logi_cal 2008-10-15 09:59 |
| #8 Those hated AMERICAN bloggers again... Not all Americans Besoeker, just---you know who. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2008-10-15 09:53 |
| #7 spread rumours created by American bloggers and other racist media outlets in their efforts to damage a black manÂ’s name, saying she hopes African Media was mature enough to be in the front to give unwavering support to her husband, a man Africans should identify themselves with. Those hated AMERICAN bloggers again... |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2008-10-15 09:43 |
| #6 Mrs. Obama's opinion about her husband's status is meaningless. This is a court case "of fact", in which Obama either has the documents he needs, or he does not. All Obama has to do is present between one and three very specific notarized pieces of paper to the judge, which unless challenged on substantive grounds, would mean immediate dismissal of the case. This is required of every American who gets a State drivers license. Ironically, unless Obama produces these documents, to at least indicate that he is a *naturalized* US citizen, he would also, automatically, lose his drivers license and possibly even be subject to deportation. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2008-10-15 09:37 |
| #5 3dc they certainly did sound threatening almost to point of paranoia with that rambling attack on unnamed evil people. There's also a strong hint of aggressive priviledge with that demand that API write a good story about Barack or else..... She strikes me as a Winnie Mandela wannabe. |
| Posted by: AlanC 2008-10-15 09:18 |
| #4 excerpts above at WND |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2008-10-15 09:16 |
| #3 I think it might be worth looking into. "Wrote Langbert, "Mr. Obama has refused to produce a physical certified, stamped copy of his birth certificate. An electronically displayed imaged displayed by his official campaign website has alleged to have been a forgery. … We request that the FEC require Mr. Obama to authorize the FEC to obtain an official copy of his birth certificate." Ted Moran, who said he wished to be contacted at brotherbear@solomonsstables.org, said he also was launching a campaign to discern the truth about Obama's birth certificate. "I am looking for 50 brave men or women from 49 states and the District of Columbia to join me in suing the secretaries of state in our respective states to prevent them from posting the name Barak H. Obama on the November 2008 ballot until he presents incontrovertible proof that he is a … U.S. citizen," he said. "The secretaries of state are the ones who by placing a person or initiative on the ballot certify that the candidates or initiatives meet the legal requirements to be on the ballot. "The office of the president is simply too important to trust to someone other than a person whose loyalties are 100 percent American, and while it is impossible to read into the heart of a man or woman we do have the test our forefathers gave us. Which is this office is not to be entrusted to anyone but a natural U.S. citizen," he said. Multiple requests over a period of several days by WND to the Obama campaign for a comment or explanation of the birth certificate issue did not generate any response. The Israel Insider said, "The revelation that [the birth certificate] of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents what supporters of this analysis claim is a 'smoking gun' that appears to implicate Sen. Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama 'birth certificate' – which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features – to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission. "The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother – not yet 19 at the time of his birth – would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on 'natural born citizenship' automatically," the report said. "There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book 'Dreams from My Father,' specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists," the report said. The forensic computer investigators interviewed by the news publication concluded there are two obvious possibilities for the birth certificate image: A real certificate was scanned and digitally edited or a real certificate was scanned for the graphic layout, then blanked by soaking the document in solvent to remove the toner. The certificate was published by the Daily Kos June 12 following initial reports questioning Obama's place of birth. He's stated he was born in Hawaii, but if that was not the case, his citizenship could be uncertain, since his father was not a citizen and his mother was not old enough to pass along American citizenship automatically. The issue originally was raised by Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot, a National Review blog. He cited the "unlikely" possibility that Obama's 1961 birth was not within the U.S. At the time, he wrote, "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen … because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for 10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'" He then pointed out Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born, "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16." |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2008-10-15 09:16 |
| #2 To be honest, the place-of-birth thing is just an asinine distraction. But if it distracts the assholes in the Obama campaign, go for it, clowns. Just don't file fucking lawsuits in my goddamn state that have *already* disrupted the prompt distribution of absentee ballots in my home county. Crippled little old ladies won't be able to vote because of idiot lawsuits filed by blowhards and morons like Berg. |
| Posted by: Mitch H. 2008-10-15 07:58 |
| #1 pretty strange statements .... actually they sounded threatening. |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-10-15 02:15 |