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William of Orange, a practicing Muslim?
2008-10-04
A report about a Leiden historian who claims that William of Orange was a practicing Muslim has spread like wildfire on the (Dutch speaking) internet. "It seems to have struck a sensitive chord," says Jochem van den Berg, who's behind the report.

According to the report historian 'Tjalling Wenselaar' claims that William of Orange should appear in the history books as Yusuf Ibrahim of Orange Nassau. William's conversion to Islam, occurring in the spring of 1582, was 'strategic'. "In return for his conversion to Islam and Islamisizing the Dutch provinces, the Moorish khalif Abdul Abu Uzrim promised William military aid in in fight against the Spanish," according to Wenselaar. Since William was killed shortly afterward and his son loved wine and pork too much, it did not bring about the Islamization of the Netherlands. The Oranges tried to erase all traces of the conversion of their ancestor. University of Leiden researchers say the claim is obviously untrue and that they don't know of any Tjalling Wenselaar.

The report first appeared on the De Speld website, which at first glance looks like an internet news site. Jochem van den Berg confirms that it was indeed written by the site. The historian and the research don't exist. "We wanted to start off a discussion about Dutch identity. By way of satirical reflection we wrote the article from a Judeo-Christian and Islamic background."

"We had no idea that this article would spread like wildfire on the internet," beams Van den Berg. The phones of his colleagues and him have been ringing off the hook. "Turkish and Moroccan sites copied the article and we were also approached by the Muslim broadcaster and other Muslim organizations. they all reacted moderately." He says he got comments from the ethnic Dutch as well - people related to the PVV, Pim Fortuyn and Hirsi Ali. According to Van den Berg this shows that satire and Islam go rather well together.
Posted by:ryuge

#13  So we can expect some Mohamed satire any day from these Dutch funny boyz?
Posted by: ed   2008-10-04 18:10  

#12  [anonymous has been pooplisted.]
Posted by: anonymous   2008-10-04 17:59  

#11  Just like Charles Martel, John of Austria, Jan Sobieski and Moshe Dayan. All of them were practicing Muslims.
Posted by: JFM   2008-10-04 17:19  

#10  A few things come to mind...

- it will be accepted as fact by muslim scholars & holy men, who will add that to the long list of supposed converts with which they woe the rubs (remember, it's legits, it's from scholars and wa spublished online), just see how muslim media reacted to this, they bask in that.

- I can't imagine muslim scholars, even secular ones, writing one of the califes as a Christian convert - proving once again that multiculturalism & Diveristy is a one-way street (or a single-edged sword to fall upon, if you wish). The whole exercise is unhealthy and fits well into the "cultural pessismism" of the Enlightened Elites.

- And, apart from muslims (see first item), I have no doubt that many of th epeople who got caught in that "internet wildfire" were ethnic dutch... and the simple idea that someone of dutch heritage can even think this is remotely possible is not a sign of gullibility, it's a sign that the dutch collective mind is under siege from islam, and that for many, they already interiorized the fact that they have lost. Would any pre-60's dutchman, even with the internet, would have thought such an enormity was remotely possible? No. But 2008 dutchmen could, because they already have lost the battle of memes, just like so many french, german, and americans.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2008-10-04 14:26  

#9  OOps. Hit wrong key. Try again.

King Billy was a gentleman
He wore a watch and chain
The Pope he was a beggar man
And came from Castlemaine
King Billy had an Orange cat
That sat upon the fender
And every time it caught a mouse
He shouted, "no surrender!"
Posted by: Alaska Paul    2008-10-04 13:46  

#8  King Billy was a gentleman
He wore a watch and chain
The Pope he was a beggarman
And came from Castlemagne
Posted by: Alaska Paul    2008-10-04 13:44  

#7  That still doesn't mean Lincoln wasn't a Muslim. Or gay...
Posted by: tu3031   2008-10-04 13:23  

#6  Ummmm.... guys:

The report first appeared on the De Speld website, which at first glance looks like an internet news site. Jochem van den Berg confirms that it was indeed written by the site. The historian and the research don't exist. "We wanted to start off a discussion about Dutch identity. By way of satirical reflection we wrote the article from a Judeo-Christian and Islamic background."
Posted by: mrp   2008-10-04 13:09  

#5  This claim is bull on so many levels. They were dangerous religious times between Catholoics and Protestants and he'd have been burned in seconds if he chose a third option and lost the support of his family, friends, people, country and neighbors.

The historian is a liar or a fool. I suggest the former as he's managed to get a ton of publicity despite the damage it might do to the Netherlands viza ve Islamic claims.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-10-04 13:07  

#4  Y'all realize, I'm sure, why this claim is being made - i.e., it 'justifies' the islamic (re)colonization of the Netherlands that is in advanced stages and against which a few brave Dutch are speaking out.
Posted by: lotp   2008-10-04 12:48  

#3  I hear Muhammad was really Jewish.
Posted by: Grunter   2008-10-04 11:38  

#2  Yeah, I hear Lincoln was a Muslim too. But before he could tell anybody John Wilkes Booth showed up and...you know.
Posted by: tu3031   2008-10-04 11:22  

#1  Martians don't do Islam, and he was a refugee from the Dry Belt.
Posted by: .5MT   2008-10-04 09:17  

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